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Posted by: demdamdemekins Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:25 pm

Hello. I am a new member from New York. I want to know what you think of my new calico butterfly. I know that this piece does not really hold up by your standards, but consider that for America, this fish is considered high end, and I actually paid a pretty high price for it. I just wanted to know what things I can do to improve the appearance of this fish. Consider that it has only been in my posession for 2 days, and was shipped to me from Texas.



I also wanted to add that the top edges of the pectoral fins curl down, and the tail ends curl in. Can these defects be fixed?

Posted by: mitten Fri, 02 Dec 2005 1:45 pm

Coming from Texas would mean from Tommy Hui from A's Aquarium, right. Or, from his auction maybe. Tommy is somehow related to the folks at Tung Hoi Aquarium in China so this may be a good fish.

Because I have a fish from Tommy, also butterfly, I am interested to hear comments on your fish also. For me, ruffian American that I am, I would want to see a top view to see the tail. And for me calico is all about the blue.

Might there be comment offered on Tung Hoi fellas? Is it said in Singapore that only B grade fish are sent to America from China? Like because that's all we can handle or all we would be willing to pay for. Its kinda what we figure. No Japanese goldfish here at all.

Mickey

Posted by: CP Fri, 02 Dec 2005 1:51 pm

Hi,

Over here this variety is also known as butterfly tail dragon eyes.The curl in the tails are perfectly acceptable,depending on how the curl is,but I am no expert in this field.There are a few members here who specialise in these and may offer a better comment.However, this variety is usually better appreciated from the top , as you can see from most pics of this type of fish in the forum.It would be better if you can provide a top view pic of this fish for better comments.

Rgds
CP

Posted by: desireless Fri, 02 Dec 2005 1:55 pm

Hi,

Not all dragoneyes are appreciated from top. But if it is sold to you as "Butterfly-tailed" then it should be appreciated from top.

And can you please also provide a picture of the curled tail. Do you mean that the tail bone is deformed?

desireless

Posted by: demdamdemekins Fri, 02 Dec 2005 1:57 pm

Yeah. That fish is indeed from Tommy. I won him in last weeks auction, and ended up dropping over 200 bucks for him shipping included. I'm sure that this will make most everyone on this forum not from America choke on their food, but thats how much he cost, and considering the comparative quality of the other fish here, I don't think that I overpaid. I really wish I could go to Singapore and have a FIELD DAY in your pet stores. I might have to fill a plane all by myself with those amazing fish I am seeing in the gallery. Lucky Lucky Lucky. Btw. He has next to no blue on him. I have been told that Chinese breeders do not breed for much blue, and as far as all calicos go, the bluest fish come from Japan. Is this true? I bought him based on his qualities as a sideview, as his back is more curved than any other dragoneye I have seen for sale recently. I was actually looking for a broadtail, but this fish's sideview looks pleased me. I will post a top view picture of him tomorrow, as I cannot find my digicam right now.
Please also critique this fish as a SV if at all possible.
Demdamdemekins

Posted by: The Matrix Fri, 02 Dec 2005 3:53 pm

Fish seems to be a Tung Hoi signature type ... not a bad fish. looks balance. color wise, not too bad. overall fish should be in the high mid level grading fish. For USD200, u can get a superb grade 3-4" dragon already.

Can take a clear shot on the fish side profile ? I like to see the scale more clearly.



NO.

the pectoral tip will tends to curl as it grow older. It's absolutely normal. Dun worry so much. The tail ends curl inward is due to the tail structure. U can't do anything to correct it. However, do maintain very low water current and clean water to maintain the tail.



Butterfly tail refered to the Tail, not the way it should be appreciated.

Posted by: demdamdemekins Sat, 03 Dec 2005 2:08 pm

Sorry for the bad picture quality. I am not that good with my digital camera.



demdamdemekins

Posted by: Frankie Mon, 05 Dec 2005 11:19 pm

left and right tail don't look even
eyes also don't look even

Posted by: demdamdemekins Tue, 06 Dec 2005 2:32 am

The left and right tail are even, it was just the camera angle. However, the eyes are slightly off from one another. Like I said before, I am alot more interested in comments dealing with this fish from a SV point of view.

Posted by: Frankie Tue, 06 Dec 2005 7:01 pm

as a SV point of view?
it looks clumsy, and lack of grace...
lacks the mass and thin back
it looks better from the top than the side....
coloration looks interesting, lets see how it develops

Posted by: demdamdemekins Wed, 07 Dec 2005 1:46 pm

Is there anything I can do about that? Feed fatty foods like bloodworms and beefheart maybe? I will try to set up a green water tank for him when the weather warms up. Do you think that would also help?

Posted by: desireless Wed, 07 Dec 2005 1:49 pm

No beefheart, please!!
It is about maintaining good water for your prized pet.

Posted by: Frankie Wed, 07 Dec 2005 2:34 pm

good quality food from the hikari range would be good..
desireless is right, its about maintaining good water
no amount of good food will help if your water is screwed up.

Posted by: Frankie Thu, 08 Dec 2005 3:12 pm

This is a nice calico with beautiful fins.
The fish is probably still adjusting to the new environment given that you had just got it for 2 days.
No hurry, take your time to feed this fish and I am sure it will look different(i.e more beautiful and fuller body) in a few weeks time.

Posted by: demdamdemekins Sat, 10 Dec 2005 5:55 pm

Thanks to everyone for all your help and tips.
demdamdemekins

Posted by: Frankie Tue, 19 Dec 2006 2:33 pm

This butterfly moor looks fine with me. Nothing bad at all, it's no show quality but it's AAA grade though. I too am from america and very high quality fish are hard to come by. Of course on the other hand it's not so hard to come by if you have the money. But that's a different subject. Besides I'll tell you this much I've bought plenty of fishes from Tommy, and they've always be quality goldies in fact most of them are highquality. Goldies from Tommy are always beautiful such as your calico butterly moor. Love butterfly dragoneyes/moors great buy.