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Posted by: yamato38gunkei Tue, 11 May 2004 7:10 am

Thank you very much. I feel honoured.
With this message, I send a photo of one of my Tosai Ranchu I bred at the beginning of 2004. I hope you like it. Comments are very welcome.

Regards,

Geert Coppens

Posted by: Frankie Tue, 11 May 2004 9:25 am

Geert,

Looks pretty much like this fish is of Kashino parentage?

Posted by: Frankie Tue, 11 May 2004 9:46 am

Geert, I personally felt that the belly is bugling out too much. Shouldn't the fish be more streamlined?

Posted by: GA Secretary Tue, 11 May 2004 7:08 am

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Posted by: Frankie Tue, 11 May 2004 12:15 pm

Geert, do you have any nisai that you bred last year? Could you show us a pic and perhaps tell us if it is any different from one that is bred and raised in Japan? Thanx.

Posted by: Frankie Tue, 11 May 2004 1:59 pm

Geert, this batch spawn early Jan ? The fish looks a little big for this year fish. 7cm ? From your existing nisai line ? Kashino or Takeuchi ... just asking only.

Nice clean scaling, great tail and body structure. The only thing is body size slightly short. Mouth area a little small. Maybe still young.

Just a guess on this one, swimming is not as elegant. You should have another better one .... please show ...

Posted by: yamato38gunkei Wed, 12 May 2004 5:56 am

I thought this Tosai is a very good one. But it is always easy to think this from your own Ranchu. This is the reason why I posted this photo, to know other opinions.
One thing is for sure, it does swim very beautifully. It is true that it is very big for its age. But, I know breeders who can breed their Ranchu bigger in 4-5 months.

Posted by: Frankie Wed, 12 May 2004 9:19 am

Geert,

I supposed it is the angle the photo is taken at. The tosai appears shorter with a more rounded belly in the 1st photo. In the 2nd photo, I thought it looks very good.

Posted by: Frankie Wed, 12 May 2004 9:19 am

That's a much better photo to show the detail. I got to expand the previous photo to 3-4x larger and a little distorted on the tail part. Still a very neat fish. I take back the mouth part as the new photo showing the better angle for viewing.

Quite true, I believe some breeders, that started late spawning, now only has 3-5cm fish right now. Yours is a mile ahead.

Posted by: yamato38gunkei Tue, 22 Jun 2004 2:02 am

The same Ranchu six weeks later.

Regards,

Geert Coppens

Posted by: olddog Tue, 22 Jun 2004 4:26 am

Wow Geert,
I reckon thats got to be at least a 30% enlargement in wen in just six weeks!!!!!!! Most impressive indeed!

The tail looks "Kashino" but the head has the flavour of other lineage. Is it one of your experimental crossings?

Forrest.

Posted by: Frankie Tue, 22 Jun 2004 8:39 am

WOW !!! This is not Kashino lineage leh !

What's the secret recipe ? A bit of takeuchi, a bit of kashino, a bit of ishikawa ... but still from the same kangyo-kai.

Still Impressive !

Posted by: HappyBuddha Wed, 23 Jun 2004 3:09 pm

To give you a better idea of the tremendous change within a short 6 weeks period, I've combined the photos and created a before and after pic.

Enjoy the sight.

Posted by: Frankie Wed, 23 Jun 2004 4:16 pm

And what a sight it is!!

Thanks for the new combi photo. I didn't realize the change in 6 months was so great until I saw this new photo.

This fish features are all mirror from the center backbone; the scales, the shape of its tails, fins etc. However, I notice Ranchu's headgrowth (the one on top of its head) seldom are in perfectly developed. Is a perfectly mirrored headgrowth possible at all?

Posted by: olddog Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:29 pm

That tail seat has to be 5-6 scales deep . Is this aspect one of your favorite attributes of this fish?

The right hand funtan is noticably unbalanced in both old and new photos. I know wen can change almost by the week.
Will this fault disappoint you, or do you expect continued further development will give improvement?

Regards Forrest (olddog).

Posted by: Frankie Sat, 26 Jun 2004 8:11 am

SIX WEEKS

not months

Posted by: top_view_ranchu Sat, 26 Jun 2004 8:11 am

Hi Geert,
What a sight I guess you breed it yourself.
I have seen the web page of all your self breed top view I'm deeply impressed!!!
I believe you should have some self prepared recipe for your ranchu? Hope you can share.
I'm experimenting peas & spinach grind with B12 on one of my ranchu.
Still too early to tell results.
Please comment.

Thanks & regards,
David

Posted by: yamato38gunkei Sun, 27 Jun 2004 3:53 pm

I am sorry, but I have no special recipe that I feed my Ranchu. I only feed pellet food !
When my fry hatch, I feed brine shrimp until they are large enough to eat Fine Fish Food Type C. Later, I start feeding Ranchu Lord. And that is it.

High quality food is important ; and Ranchu Lord is high quality. But more important is studying your Ranchu before feeding them. Will I feed them ? How much will I feed them ? How often will I feed them ? I think automatic feeders are good. It makes us lazy. We must constantly study our Ranchu.

Water temperature is also very important. And ... water quality.

Every Ranchu Ranchu is different. Try to find the best feeding regime for all your Ranchu. Keep the Ranchu together with the same feeding habits and feeding necessities.

The darkest secrets of Ranchu keepers are not what they feed them, but how they feed them !


But THE MOST IMPORTANT is the knowledge of bloodlines and the right combinations. Top Ranchu Breeders are constantly looking for the right combinations.

Regards,


Geert Coppens

Posted by: yamato38gunkei Sun, 27 Jun 2004 9:08 pm

I AM SORRY, I MEANT : AUTOMATIC FEEDERS ARE NOT GOOD !!!!!

Regards,

Geert Coppens

Posted by: Frankie Mon, 28 Jun 2004 7:45 am

Hi Geert,
Thanks for sharing. I'm using Ranchu Lord too.
Also Chroma, have you heard of it?
If so, please comment.

Heard about Japanese breeder feeding their fishes in the middle of the night!
Is that about finding the correct time to feed them?

About the bloodline and good combination is sure interesting. How do you come about understanding that? From books or your contacts?

Regards

Posted by: Frankie Mon, 28 Jun 2004 4:13 pm

Hi Geert:

Impressive fish and growth u have there..will u consider shipping your bloodlines to s'pore..Wow!No secret but still manage to have good growth rate..some ppl are still struggling like me..clean water...good food etc.But to no avail,i guess that most of the ppl here are too tied-up with daily work that having good quality time to observe your ranchu behaviour is almost obselete.

Posted by: DIYGOLD Mon, 28 Jun 2004 8:40 pm

Hello Geert, Thanks for the hint. I believe every hobbyist held a full time job in day. It's pretty unbelievable if you can manage your ranchu well unless you are a full-time breeder. I guess this would the the darkest sercet of all!

Namaste

Posted by: yamato38gunkei Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:32 pm

It does only take a few minutes a day to study your Ranchu.
I do have a full time job (60 hours a week !). Most breeders have a full time job. You only need some organisation and a lot of motivation.

Regards,


Geert Coppens

Posted by: yamato38gunkei Tue, 29 Jun 2004 5:19 pm

Some breeders give their FRY light almost 24 hours a day during the very first days of their live. In this case they feed them during the night. But I do not believe that many do this !
It is my opinion that fry also need to rest.

Regards,

Geert Coppens

Posted by: yamato38gunkei Tue, 29 Jun 2004 5:19 pm

A good Master, a lot of experience and ... trial and error.

Regards,

Geert Coppens

Posted by: yamato38gunkei Tue, 29 Jun 2004 5:19 pm

Of course this disappoints me a little. But only time will tell how the wen will develop. When the difference is not too big, it is OK.

Regards,

Geert Coppens