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nobnoba
post Sat, 09 Oct 2004 1:35 am
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Are green water and Carpet Algae works the same way? ie. processing Ammonia to harmless nitrogen?

I am trying to find the best combination of both world. Since green water is excellent for water condition and goldfish growth and color but it makes owners see their lovely pets once a week!

My thinking is, if carpet algae works the same was as green water, then we could allow our tank to be covered by algae, have excellent water condition and yet can see the fish!

Rational goal, no?
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post Sat, 09 Oct 2004 7:43 am
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Erm... just to clarify.... you're not getting the best of both world since you are going for carpet algae only.

Carpet alage and green water are totally different in many ways. The most obvious yet invisble to our naked eyes is the size of "green water". The algae in green water is unicellular in size. Yah, it's so tiny no one have yet posted its pic for me to see. smile.gif

Their tiny size alone makes them highly digestible and it's claim a fish swimming in green water is constantly "feeding" on unicellular alage.

Despite their small size and seemingly large quantity collectively turned water green, it's important to note and many bros have documented, that you'll need instensely green water to observe a noticable colour change to your goldfish. In this light, I doubt carpet algae is any good for colour restoration/enhancement.
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post Sat, 09 Oct 2004 8:06 am
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Just to add on...

The numero uno reason given by many against using green water is they can't see their fishes.

Erm.... so what?

With a proper setup and well QTed fish, your collection is unlikely to fall sick easily. They don't fight, nor flattern their cheeks banging against the wall either. You'll see them for sure at least once a week during water change anyway, a time where you do your visual inspection.

Most importantly, you don't have to keep all your fishes in green water! Why do you want to hang around the hot and humid backyard (or rural ponds) everyday to "look" at your fishes. What is there to see?

Just set up a cool display tank in the comfort of your airconditioned living room, pull up your favoite lounger, lit your cigar and turn off the bloody handphone then stare blindly at and be mesmerized by your beautifully kept goldfishes, show class goldfishes that you rotate between your green and blue water!! yes.gif

Please change your mindset about needing to "see" your fishes and having green water will be an easily acceptable proposition.
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post Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:58 am
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QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Sat, 09 Oct 2004 8:06 am)
Just to add on...

The numero uno reason given by many against using green water is they can't see their fishes.

Erm.... so what?

With a proper setup and well QTed fish, your collection is unlikely to fall sick easily.  They don't fight, nor flattern their cheeks banging against the wall either.  You'll see them for sure at least once a week during water change anyway, a time where you do your visual inspection.

Most importantly, you don't have to keep all your fishes in green water!  Why do you want to hang around the hot and humid backyard (or rural ponds) everyday to "look" at your fishes.  What is there to see?

Just set up a cool display tank in the comfort of your airconditioned living room, pull up your favoite lounger, lit your cigar and turn off the bloody handphone then stare blindly at and be mesmerized by your beautifully kept goldfishes, show class goldfishes that you rotate between your green and blue water!!  yes.gif

Please change your mindset about needing to "see" your fishes and having green water will be an easily acceptable proposition.
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But hor, if given a choice, I want to use carpet green for my display tank. so natural look ... put a few golf balls, tiger wood and vijay singh mini figurine and a few tikus ... wah seh ... peace.gif
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post Sat, 09 Oct 2004 1:24 pm
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QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Sat, 09 Oct 2004 7:43 am)
Erm... just to clarify.... you're not getting the best of both world since you are going for carpet algae only.
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I thought Geert produce some excellent Ranchu using blue water only? I believe its the diet the goldfish must get. If the diet contain a high proportion of green, might be as good as green water. That is for someone to try smile.gif.
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post Sat, 09 Oct 2004 2:44 pm
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Back to geert's method, huh?
well, anyone try the no filter method here? i suppose its easy using this method if the tank is small. what if its a pond with 4x2m, then no filter method is a gigantic effort to maintain.

So about carpet green, nutritional value aside, does it perform the same function as greenwater? in terms of eliminating ammonia.

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QUOTE(nobnoba @ Sat, 09 Oct 2004 2:44 pm)
So about carpet green, nutritional value aside, does it perform the same function as greenwater? in terms of eliminating ammonia.
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AFAIK ("as far as I know"), carpet algae and most other better known algae except unicellular alage takes in nitrate as nutrient instead of Ammonia.

So if you're thinking about going without bio-filtration or green water and rely solely on carpet algae to remove ammonia, the setup will not work. sad.gif
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post Sat, 09 Oct 2004 7:16 pm
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For those of you who are wondering what is carpet algae... below is a pic to get you interested:-

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Incredible hor? yes.gif

Find out more at: http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=560
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The display tank at AC is also having abt the same concept.
How I wish mine was like that.At least helps to cut down on nitrates.
Problem was I threw in a pleco at the first sight of algae.Cant bear to see a nice clean tank "dirtied".And I would presume that you would also have to clean the front side of the tank on a more regular basis.
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post Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:11 am
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Anyone can enlightment which is better in term of absorbing nitrate? blush.gif
As I know there only exist one type of algae in a tank, so I would like to choose one but don't know which is better. Is green water is better, then I will put a pleco to eat the algea on the glass, if not i will leave the it alone. Thanks rolleyes.gif
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post Tue, 15 Feb 2005 1:43 pm
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For wall carpet algae, you'll have to ask infocus.
http://www.RafflesGold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1910

He's been having it for some time now. good_very.gif
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QUOTE(desireless @ Tue, 28 Feb 2006 8:20 pm)
As promised...


This is my 4-ft tank now. To take the pictures, I have to clear front side of the tank. I left out one portion so you see how fast the algae grows in 1 week. The fishes like to eat the algae from the wall, so I have to corner off one part of the tank to preserve the algae.

The long fluffy wall algae. Notice my water is very dirty with debris floating around. This is due to me not using mechanical filter and the sponge filters are not fast enough to work on the poos. But the nitrogen cycle is still working perfectly.
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4ft green water tank...cleaning must be very siong..hw u do water change and clean the walls...
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QUOTE(marc9 @ Wed, 01 Mar 2006 4:32 pm)
4ft green water tank...cleaning must be very siong..hw u do water change and clean the walls...
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His is not a green water tank.Its a cycled tank, with carpet (UGLY carpet hysterical.gif ) algae.

But its good for the fishes.
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QUOTE(CP @ Wed, 01 Mar 2006 9:46 pm)
His is not a green water tank.Its a cycled tank, with carpet (UGLY carpet  hysterical.gif ) algae.

But its good for the fishes.
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so hw to attain the green carpet wall algae tank?hw do u change the water?
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hi Desireless, do you have the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate readings, with the algae and without the algae, just before you change the water pls?
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