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post Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:53 pm
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Is this a lionchu or ranchu? Feel free to comment on the fish.

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post Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:11 pm
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Lionchu (Tancho)

Try to pump up the hood with green water + BW.

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(Tancho) Lionchu

PS: I was intending to say Lionchu (Tancho-patterned)

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post Thu, 06 Jan 2005 3:23 am
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What's the diff betw ranchu and lionchu ?

Ranchu and Lionhead <- I noe

Ranchu and Lionchu unsure.gif

Can someone enlighten me ??? beg2.gif beg2.gif beg2.gif
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post Thu, 06 Jan 2005 8:00 am
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Correct me if I am wrong. The original Lionhead from china have a back that is almost flat when view from the side. Ranchu on the other hand has a nice curve back but lesser headgrowth. The lionhead has wen growth all over its head including the underside of its head (chin). Buffalohead is used to describe ranchu with very pronounced checks. Some even refer to it as horn. Goosehead is used to describe those goldfish with very prominent hood growth like the red-capped oranda.

Thus lionchu is a term coined recently by some Singaporean to refer to a goldfish with a ranchu body with a lionhead instead of the usual buffalohead.
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post Thu, 06 Jan 2005 9:29 am
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"Goosehead" goldfish unsure.gif , can post of a Goosehead goldfish ??? beg2.gif

Then what is different between buffalohead ranchu and lionchu ??? beg2.gif
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post Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:19 am
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QUOTE(desireless @ Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:11 pm)
Lionchu (Tancho)


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This means Lionchu = Tancho,which is not right.
It should read Tancho Lionchu.
Anyway, doesn't really look tancho to me.Red cap lionchu more appropriate.
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post Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:23 am
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QUOTE(jowy_ham @ Thu, 06 Jan 2005 9:29 am)
"Goosehead" goldfish  unsure.gif , can post of a Goosehead goldfish ???  beg2.gif

Then what is different between buffalohead ranchu and lionchu ???  beg2.gif
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want more ? Tiger-head 虎头, Lion-head 狮头, Goose-head 鹅头, Crown-head 皇冠

and now in china, getting more and more popular ... 猫狮
and new variety coming up ... 额下瘤
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post Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:34 am
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QUOTE(goldfish Lover @ Thu, 06 Jan 2005 8:00 am)
Buffalohead is used to describe ranchu with very pronounced checks. Some even refer to it as horn.

Thus lionchu is a term coined recently by some Singaporean to refer to a goldfish with a ranchu body with a lionhead instead of the usual buffalohead.
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The area where 'buffalohead' growth is should not referred to as the cheeks (most commonly used) of the goldfish,IMO.Just leave it as buffalohead or horn is just fine.
The cheeks should be the area below the eyes.
My kakis commonly refer to a ranchu with good horn growth and no headgrowth on cheeks as a 'pure buffalo'.
Horn growth coupled with headgrowth on cheeks is referred to as a 'cross'.
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post Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:06 am
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good morning bros


if you classify the above as tancho lionchu,it will do alot of discredit to the fish as the red on its tail will automatically deem as a defect.For what I understand,a tancho fish should have the red only at the crown and no where else,a requirement not many fish can fulfil.So a red and white lionchu broad classsification will save this fish from just a color coded discrimination and otherwise beautiful fish to own. laugh.gif

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post Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:20 am
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QUOTE(goldrush @ Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:06 am)
.For what I understand,a tancho fish should have the red only at the crown and no where else,a requirement not many fish can fulfil.
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Gd morning Goldrush,

Sorry I a bit fussy this morning.The statement not exactly 100%.Tancho need not be only red in colour,there are blacks, for eg.
So it shd read
"A tancho fish should have the coloured marking only at the crown......"

Heh heh heh... smile.gif
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post Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:40 am
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I guess many people make the same mistake of naming anything with an overly grown head and a curve back as a ranchu. Not wrong also.

Ranchu has already break up into various form and in fact, hobbyists start to break them into countries - Chinese, Thai, Japan and even UK.

Just remember 1 thing, all classifications comes under the Chinese way.

Lion-head refers to head of a Wen-yu. Eg, Oranda
Tiger-head refers to head growth of a Dan-zhong. Eg, lionhead, ranchu
High-head refers to hood growth of a Wen-Yu, Eg, crown pearl, red-cap oranda
Flat-head refers to head of any varieties without muscle growth. Eg, Ryukin, Comet

It's the confusion when translate to English and cause a lot of problems to many.

Since Dan-Zhong already so confusing, better not touch the more complex Wen-Zhong.

Dan-Zhong simply fish without dosal. Eg, Ranchu, Lionhead, Celestial, Bubble-eyes, Pompon, Dragon-eye Egg fish ... even dosal-less pearlscale also in Dan-Zhong category.

The confusing part is Ranchu and Lionhead. Got to go back to history of some a thousands years ago. hahahaha ... who the hell give the name Ranchu. hahahaha.

Go lunch then see what I can come out with ... or someone try to make a more detail description between the 2.
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post Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:24 pm
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QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:20 am)
Gd morning Goldrush,

Sorry I a bit fussy this morning.The statement not exactly 100%.Tancho need not be only red in colour,there are blacks, for eg.
So it shd read
"A tancho fish should have the coloured marking only at the crown......"

Heh heh heh... smile.gif
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Sorry sorry my mistake for being too specific to red only.You are right in that tancho are not confine to reds only but perhaps the other coloration being a rarity(eg kuro tancho the black is on the tancho marking as in koi but in goldfish ???????? never see before leh)

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QUOTE(infocus @ Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:53 pm)
Is this a lionchu or ranchu? Feel free to comment on the fish.
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Pardon my ignorance,with regards to the question posed by topic starter,now that it is classified as lionchu,I admit that I would have answered his question as a ranchu. blush.gif
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post Thu, 06 Jan 2005 1:32 pm
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QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Thu, 06 Jan 2005 10:19 am)
This means Lionchu = Tancho,which is not right.
It should read Tancho Lionchu.
Anyway, doesn't really look tancho to me.Red cap lionchu more appropriate.
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I didn't say tancho = lionchu

Else I wouldn't have put a bracket there.

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I will edit it anyway... yes.gif
The brackets at the back looks misleading. I have meant to say Lionchu (Tancho-patterned)

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QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Thu, 06 Jan 2005 1:14 pm)
Pardon my ignorance,with regards to the question posed by topic starter,now that it is classified as lionchu,I admit that I would have answered his question as a ranchu. blush.gif
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even if u say it is a ranchu still not right. Ranchu head is not like this.
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