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post Wed, 13 Sep 2006 6:57 pm
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Here are some latest pic of my baby ranchus that were featured under purchases from the dark side.Now for the purpose of unbiased opinion I have scrambled the pic without any indication of which fish are under what kind of water.Now all fishes are fed 5 times a day in addition to 2 meals of blood worms.Please take note on this

*ALL THE FISHES ARE FED ON ONE PORTION OF HIKARI LIONHEAD,ONE PORTION OF SAKI HIKARI AND ANOTHER PORTION OF RANCHU LORD*

all premixed in a autofeeder dispensing at about 2 hours interval

All fishes enjoy full sun/outdoor environment.
Green water is changed on a weekly basis while clear water has a daily 30% change


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I take my leave for your contemplation

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post Wed, 13 Sep 2006 10:46 pm
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A,C,D in green water.

B,E,F in clear water.

How do I tell? From the pics,not the fish. hysterical.gif

It is difficult to tell whether a blackie is raised in green water or clear water. Its blackness is not affected by whether it is green water or clear water.
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post Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:01 pm
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Here is a short video of one of the better developed blackies which just refuse to stay still mad.gif




and make your final conclusion
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post Thu, 14 Sep 2006 9:51 am
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B,C,E,F green water
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blackness is more to do with gene than green water or algae walled CW.



someone has say that the blackness will fade in green water, not sure abt whether it is myth or not but i do know of someone who has blackie swimming in green water since less than 2 inches until it reach 4.5 inch, it is still totally black.
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post Fri, 15 Sep 2006 8:51 am
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A,D and F.....in green water. From picture my opinion is that these three got better wen growth and more on the fatter side. Green water raised ranchus enjoy continuous and free feeding from the readily available planktons and other micro organisms. If you feed the same amount of food using auto feeder to the two group of ranchus...those raised in green water would enjoy more food which in my opinion contribute to better wen development and fatter body.
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post Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:08 am
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QUOTE(white horse T1 @ Thu, 14 Sep 2006 1:20 pm) *

blackness is more to do with gene than green water or algae walled CW.
someone has say that the blackness will fade in green water, not sure abt whether it is myth or not but i do know of someone who has blackie swimming in green water since less than 2 inches until it reach 4.5 inch, it is still totally black.

It would be great if you could arrange a photo of this black ranchu to be taken from a glass tank. Have you seen this ranchu in a glass tank?
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QUOTE(Ranchu Lover @ Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:08 am) *

It would be great if you could arrange a photo of this black ranchu to be taken from a glass tank. Have you seen this ranchu in a glass tank?




yes, i ve seen this in CW w/o algae glass tank and i ve seen it swimming behind black oyama background before and cannot see it . confirm pitch black.

unfortunately that someone is not in the habbit to take pictures as well.



should let doc reveal the mystery as i am also eager to know the answer on his experiment unsure.gif .
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QUOTE(CP @ Thu, 14 Sep 2006 1:46 am) *

A,C,D in green water.

B,E,F in clear water.

How do I tell? From the pics,not the fish. hysterical.gif

It is difficult to tell whether a blackie is raised in green water or clear water. Its blackness is not affected by whether it is green water or clear water.



I AGREE with CP!......and its impossible to tell if raised in green water or CW.
overall all look good, specially the one in video clip, quite energetic.
Oh staying on that topic....does anybody believe/noticed that black ranchus when compared to coloured ones are more stronger/hardier?
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I notice the regulars(except cp) refrain from commenting on the above outcome.Any reasons for one's refusal to partake in this exercise???

Honestly I conduct this mini experiment to share with you my own personnal inference and even though the results may not be conclusive it certainly can pave way for others to conduct separate experiments to substantiate my findings.

My observation

Myth 1
There is no reason why you cannot keep blackies in green.There is no lost in blacks.As some have noticed,the growth of wen,the girth and overall balance is noteworthy to comment(I am speaking as one who doesn't practice green water in my usual practice....so you can rest assured it is an unbiased statement)

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There is no lost of coloration nor discoloration as a result of feeding the above 3 feeds mentioned neither was there a collapse of green water with the probiotic feed.

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Blacks are good indicated of impending troubles that may surface if the latter is not rectify.The black will lose its lustre and assume a more brownish/golden hue(especially towards the finnage areas)if there is/are shortfalls in your parameters.But be assured these are temporary and the charcoal black assumes once the parameters are rectified....if not sure do a total water change!!!!


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green water pplp supposd to belong to the stereotype stubborn spoon-fed pplp mah that refused to listen and accept new ideas. so got reputation to protect u know.... laugh.gif



in any case, whether algae wall or green water, they sure are healthy and look great. these are the babies u bought something back right?
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doc, all blackies belly used to be all black before u dip them in CW and green water or not?
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post Fri, 15 Sep 2006 2:16 pm
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Hello WHT1

Yes these are the same batch which were shown sometimes back.So to begin with all should know how their original conditions were.

There were no significant loss of color in either setup but the ones in the green seem to be more robust,better head growth and slightly bigger.



You mean GREEN PPL like that one................then better stay away from too much


GREENNNNNNNNNN... thinking.gif
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QUOTE(goldrush @ Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:53 pm) *

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I notice the regulars(except cp) refrain from commenting on the above outcome.Any reasons for one's refusal to partake in this exercise???

Because there's no need to argue until face red like some other discussions which I have read before. I have personally seen hugh charcoal black ranchu raised in green water. Even more examples from other species like moor, pearlscales, etc.

But those are not my fishes so I do not have pictures to show as proof. In this experiment, the pictures say a thousand words. One look, all 5 pictures showed no disparity in their blackness, that's enough to tell about effect of green water on black goldfishes. On top of that, it is more convincing that the experiment is done by someone like you, unbiased and with no hidden agenda. yes.gif This is a very very important point having read a topic somewhere else. hmm.gif

QUOTE(goldrush @ Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:53 pm) *

Myth 2
There is no lost of coloration nor discoloration as a result of feeding the above 3 feeds mentioned neither was there a collapse of green water with the probiotic feed.


I am more interested in this. I have always thought Hikari Lionhead, due to its contents, might do something funny to the blackness.
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QUOTE(goldrush @ Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:53 pm) *

I notice the regulars(except cp) refrain from commenting on the above outcome.Any reasons for one's refusal to partake in this exercise???


Not I refused, but I do not see a common ground. Why ....

QUOTE(goldrush @ Wed, 13 Sep 2006 6:57 pm) *

Green water is changed on a weekly basis while clear water has a daily 30% change

That's the reason.

Maybe next time.
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