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post Thu, 28 Sep 2006 7:21 pm
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A moderator is one whose performance is just moderate.
If he goes beyond for an overkill, he is known as a accelerator
If he goes under, he is retarded…

Who wants to moderate?




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post Thu, 28 Sep 2006 7:24 pm
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Modertor (in ANY forum) is a thankless unpaid tiresome job... so if I have a choice... NOT me not_i.gif
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post Thu, 28 Sep 2006 7:41 pm
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..A failed forum is one with hardly any post, may as well wind up since nobody interested to post anymore...

No wonder a few nights ago I had this nightmare that RG wound up... hmm.gif

Very hard to run a discussion forum which pleases everyone lah... Must keep it an informative website, with information as precise as possible... then also must allow "freedom of speech". How to keep this kind of balance? Does this kind of forum actually exist? uhm.gif

Not easy for the admins or moderators lah. It's a thankless job lah... hmm.gif People just don't understand lah... Whatever you do, sure got ppl complain. Very disheartening to see ppl criticising you for what you thought was the rightest thing to do. dntknw.gif
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post Thu, 28 Sep 2006 8:07 pm
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War of words makes clever man stupid

Want of words makes stupid man clever




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post Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:13 pm
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28-09-2006, 08:21 PM
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28-09-2006, 08:42 PM
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Ah... you see? nicetry2.gif Like I say.... it's a thankless job. nicetry2.gif These people THINK I ENJOY moderating and deleting their "bo liao", "meaningless", "out of topic", "trivial" posts. Like I instill strict regulations for a living!?! blink.gif Well done... nicetry2.gif You think I get paid for moderating this forum? eh? It is not cheap running a forum, understand? mad.gif


My message to these people:

If you seriously think that Rafflesgold.com is such a HELLISH place to be at, because of its no-nonsense strict policy, then, please don't force yourself to come here... Seriously, I don't see why you need to login here, only to get stressed and increase your blood pressure. Agree or not?

Another point is, I have NO respect for members who come here to learn things, and then go somewhere else and badmouth about RafflesGold.com. I do not think people with INTEGRITY will do such dishonorable acts (And guess what... I know who you are).

@Ranchu Lover (HN Lim)
I will expect some response from you. I've had enough of reading your sarcastic remarks posted by you in other forums. mad2.gif
Please... as if I do not know that you're implying us? mad.gif If you have a problem with our forum's policy, or do not like my style (or any of the moderators'), come here and challenge us!


PS: Come here and make your stand. You have my word that all your posts in this topic will not be edited. It will be raw. Please take up my invitation as it will be your only chance in a lifetime.
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post Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:24 pm
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u doing a great job lah ... ask them to pay for "freedom" of speech.

Setup a forum then tell us how tough to really owns and operates one.
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post Fri, 29 Sep 2006 9:33 am
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aiya, he will avoid, and continue making noise in other forums.. not as if we don't know his pattern..

anyway you've done a great job, heng i siam long ago tongue.gif
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post Fri, 29 Sep 2006 1:52 pm
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No way man... nonono.gif

Mr HN Lim (Ranchu Lover), you are to disucss this openly with me right here in this topic.

So many times I see you making sarcastic remarks on RafflesGold. And most of the times, they are really UNCALLED FOR. And because you have posted those comments in a forum, YOU HAVE EVERY INTENTION TO LET THE PUBLIC READ THEM.

So right now, I am opening this topic FOR YOU to shoot your points right here - I have meant to let the public read this too. If you have so much discontent about RafflesGold, then come here and voice it out. Not making some noises far away and think that you can get away with it. No way. Last night I told myself, that was the last time I am going to tolerate that kind of malicious act. If I do not step in, you will continue to do it and I am sure about that mad.gif
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post Fri, 29 Sep 2006 4:02 pm
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After so long not posting , I'd can't resist but to drop a few lines of thought..after seeing yr open invitation here.

Great that RG finally STAND UP against this fella...

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post Fri, 29 Sep 2006 5:42 pm
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After being on AF for a while, I seriously think you guys are doing a great job here.

Why I think so?

Because its like LKY running Spore; everything is managed efficiently here. You simply have to, to retain a measure of control.

If you don't have rules, everyone runs amok.

When you try to establish rules later on, everyone revolts, so LPPL.

I seldom post here but the knowledge I have gained here has been immense and it helps me to help other goldfish enthusiasts.
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post Fri, 29 Sep 2006 5:58 pm
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QUOTE(goldberg @ Fri, 29 Sep 2006 4:02 pm) *

After so long not posting , I'd can't resist but to drop a few lines of thought..after seeing yr open invitation here.

Great that RG finally STAND UP against this fella...




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post Fri, 29 Sep 2006 8:22 pm
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My post in AF in response to Runzhu:

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"bro, no problem with me all along. as I said earlier I enjoy the freedom of speech in here. I'm sure you too can see what happened to other forum where the moderator holds a tight rein. Worst was some who think they 're old hands and tried to dominate the whole forum. Such behaviour will discourage new members from participating."



I suppose you are refering to RG.

Those who frequent the site will know that I am one of the moderators under the nick CP.

You are not wrong to say that the moderators there "holds a tight rein", as a figure of speech.There are reasons to do so, and it may not be applicable to other forums.It may have discouraged new members from participating,but last thing that we want is to have the same questions asked over and over again,clogging up the forum, when the answer can be easily found if you were to browse thru the topics or use the 'search' function.

We are happy to see the forum quiet as it is but are pleased that many are logging in regularly reading up the materials.We are still funding it even though it may appear more quiet because there is already a wealth of info collated, and, to our very best effort, condensed and filed properly.

Info management is our top priority.Its like visiting the library and knowing which section to immediately head for in order to find materials of your interest.That is why we try to condense and merge all related topics into one thread, whenever possible.And that is why we hate to see the same questions over and over again, because it makes our job more difficult.

Need to read up on buffering?Do a search and there is one massive thread collated.
Need to read up on chloramines?Just one topic will suffice.
Need to discuss pearlscales?There is one big topic.
Need to administer salt, PP or JYP?Its all pinned in the ailment section.

Info can be retrieved easily,and quickly, at the stroke of the keyboard.This is what we want.And this is why we will tell you off if you choose the easy way out by asking.And this is why the forum is more quiet.AND WE PREFER THAT IT REMAINS IN THIS MANNER.

But where has that got us?A bunch of arrogant tight rein moderators who anyhow tekan people, especially newbies,I suppose.That is what we are perceived by many.

We do occassionally browse thru the 'who viewed' list and it pleases us to know that there are many members with zero post counts reading the materials over and over again.We are pleasedto know that members have came in, read, learnt and benefited from it.

Lastly,I would very much prefer that you voice your opinions over at RG rather than me having to post here to make my stand.


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p/s-To the administrator and moderators of AF: My apologies if you find my post intrusive,as I had not sought prior permission.









My post in AF in response to Ranchu Lover:

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"I truly agree with you and see what has happened to some forums. This forum encourages newbies to come in and don't kenna told off for asking "stupid" questions. We were all at one time newbie, like myself, still a newbie and waiting to learn some more stuff from this forum."



A case of biting the hand that feeds.

You have been a regular visitor to our forum,and have also previously participated under the nick of goldfish Lover.We also noted that you do use the 'search' function very regularly, to seek information, I suppose.

I do not see much contribution from you to our forum(knowledge wise, not postcounts wise) but that is not the crux of the matter.But I believe that you must have benefited in one way or another and in the end badmouthing us at another forum???

We do not tell newbies off for asking "stupid" questions.Someone once asked whether a goldfish menstruates and we simply answered "no".

We used to tell newbies off if they ask questions that are being asked over and over again, but now, instead of telling them off, we simply move the posts to the "newbie issues" section.
If you had taken notice.

And we will continue moving newbie questions to the newbie section, to try and keep the forum as tidy to the best of our ability.
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post Fri, 29 Sep 2006 8:39 pm
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Before I answer any of your query, I just like to know the following:
1. Who is/are the owner of RG?
2. Who are the members of RG?
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post Fri, 29 Sep 2006 9:21 pm
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1) There is no need for you to know who is/are the owner of RG, for you to respond to my invitation. I don't see how it is going to help in your response anyway.
All you need to know is: As long as RG exists, it goes without saying that RG has active owner/s. He is well-aware of what's happening inside and outside of RG.com
2) So long as your account is verified, you are a member.


QUOTE(peter porker @ Fri, 29 Sep 2006 5:42 pm) *

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Because its like LKY running Spore; everything is managed efficiently here. You simply have to, to retain a measure of control.
...

That is such a diplomatically worded statement. laugh.gif

Over the years, we have heard plenty of anti-LKY voices. But to me, these are just like little kids trying to break free from parental control. But little do they understand, parents are doing so for their kids' good. Without this man, Singapore will not be what she is today.

And BTW, this is the worldwide democracy table.
ASEAN
Thailand - Rank 57
Philippines - Rank 63
Indonesia - Rank 76
Singapore - Rank 84
Malaysia - Rank 92
Laos - Rank 121
Vietnam - Rank 133
Myanmar - Rank 149

http://www.worldaudit.org/democracy.htm

Seriously, although Singapore is ranked 84th worldwide and 4th in ASEAN, given a choice, I'll still choose Singapore ANYTIME.
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QUOTE(desireless @ Fri, 29 Sep 2006 9:21 pm) *

1) There is no need for you to know who is/are the owner of RG, for you to respond to my invitation. I don't see how it is going to help in your response anyway.
All you need to know is: As long as RG exists, it goes without saying that RG has active owner/s. He is well-aware of what's happening inside and outside of RG.com
2) So long as your account is verified, you are a member.
That is such a diplomatically worded statement. laugh.gif

Over the years, we have heard plenty of anti-LKY voices. But to me, these are just like little kids trying to break free from parental control. But little do they understand, parents are doing so for their kids' good. Without this man, Singapore will not be what she is today.

And BTW, this is the worldwide democracy table.
ASEAN
Thailand - Rank 57
Philippines - Rank 63
Indonesia - Rank 76
Singapore - Rank 84
Malaysia - Rank 92
Laos - Rank 121
Vietnam - Rank 133
Myanmar - Rank 149

http://www.worldaudit.org/democracy.htm

Seriously, although Singapore is ranked 84th worldwide and 4th in ASEAN, given a choice, I'll still choose Singapore ANYTIME.


Ranked 57th and get a military coup lor. hysterical.gif

Bro Desireless...I'm not being diplomatic; its the easiest analogy to apply to RG from my months and years (ok..its only been 1.5 yrs) of observation.

Anyway, its not a bad thing being the LKY of fish forums!
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