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post Sat, 15 May 2004 7:49 am
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What do you all think of this Nisai Ranchu ? Thai ? Japanese ?

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post Thu, 27 May 2004 8:25 am
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QUOTE(Frankie @ Tue 25 May 2004 08:25 PM)
Does that mean that a Thai breed (Japanese) ranchu can be mistaken for a Japan breed ranchu and vice versa?

If so why so much discussion etc. on Thai or Japanese ranchu?

Ity also seems that in Singapore, we are not getting the best both from Thailand and Japan, How about Belgium? Any agent in Singapore?

The art of keeping Ranchu is not to approach it as a static object but a holistic experience of the hobby.

When "old birds" here and elsewhere talk about Ranchus, they are NOT talking about Ranchus you can buy from LFS. They are talking about Ranchu bred by dedicated HOBBYIST breeders where the Ranchu is an object worshipped and classified as a National Treasure of Japan! These are dedicated people who strive to maintain high quality bloodlines and establish new standards. Small clubs in Japan (and elsewhere adhering strictly to the Japanese guidelines) are setup individually to maintain, perfect, establish a bloodline. The clubs with their master breeder/mentor will guide the members/students with their own way to keep a Ranchu, "secretive" ways perhaps, but that's just part of the fun where "arts" cannot be explained or quantified by science.

When a master breeder, a person with years of experience earned through hard work, perhaps tormented by traditional teaching methods pass down by generations of mentors before him, could get less than a handful of competition grade Ranchu ONCE a year, do you think a COMMERCIALLY bred in Japan (or outside Japan) has a chance to be taken seriously?

On the other hand, you can jolly well "play" with commercial grade Ranchus, and be delighted your purchase fits your pre-conception of how a Ranchu should LOOK like. A true art connoisseur will make an effort to appreciate an authentic piece of art, while a casual fan will be satisfied with print copies. In this sense, you are better off buying lower cost copies from Thailand then prints made in Japan. Both are equally “bad” but at least the Thai version will set you back less.

To blindly worship “Japanese” ranchus is a foolish thing to do, but to appreciate it fully is a long and daunting road to crawl on first.
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yamato38gunkei   Ga 004 - Ranchu   Sat, 15 May 2004 7:49 am
Frankie   As a newbie and having seen many photos of ranchu ...   Sat, 15 May 2004 5:30 pm
Frankie   I would guess that it is a japanese   Sat, 15 May 2004 5:30 pm
Frankie   hello Mr Geert. I am very new to ranchu judgemen...   Sat, 15 May 2004 5:30 pm
Frankie   nice fish..... neat scales, tail open up nicely......   Sat, 15 May 2004 5:30 pm
Frankie   IMHO... Nice head Nice body Nice caudal peduncle ...   Sat, 15 May 2004 5:30 pm
Frankie   I love this fish. I don't care if it's Th...   Sat, 15 May 2004 5:30 pm
Frankie   I have guessed that it is a jap. however i think i...   Sat, 15 May 2004 7:56 pm
Frankie   pardon me if i am wrong, but from the look of the ...   Sat, 15 May 2004 9:11 pm
Frankie   I my opnion, I really think it is a Thai. I too ...   Sun, 16 May 2004 6:15 am
Frankie   That's a tough question. Belong to one of yo...   Sun, 16 May 2004 3:11 pm
yamato38gunkei   Maybe this will help a little. At the time of the...   Sun, 16 May 2004 7:52 pm
Frankie   looks thai, yet certain features it has resembles ...   Sun, 16 May 2004 7:52 pm
Frankie   That should explain why most feature not develop ...   Mon, 17 May 2004 11:24 am
HappyBuddha   Geert, I think many of us are quite eager to find...   Tue, 18 May 2004 7:35 am
olddog   I am sure its a Japanese bloodline. The tail bone ...   Tue, 18 May 2004 6:25 pm
Frankie   I think Geert is asking this "What do you all...   Wed, 19 May 2004 8:43 am
Frankie   doh... if tat's the case, we can only post si...   Wed, 19 May 2004 11:23 am
yamato38gunkei   No problem. All comments are welcome ! I hop...   Thu, 20 May 2004 6:43 am
Frankie   would definately say its "BELGIUM"   Thu, 20 May 2004 6:43 am
yamato38gunkei   OK, finally my answer ! It is a Ranchu I bred ...   Sun, 23 May 2004 5:52 pm
DIYGOLD   dear Geert, thanks for your answer. I think everyo...   Mon, 24 May 2004 4:55 pm
yamato38gunkei   I think a Thai Ranchu and a Japanese Ranchu shoul...   Tue, 25 May 2004 7:24 pm
Frankie   Does that mean that a Thai breed (Japanese) ranch...   Tue, 25 May 2004 8:26 pm
Frankie   The art of keeping Ranchu is not to approach it a...   Thu, 27 May 2004 8:25 am
yamato38gunkei   Of course ! But there are still more high qua...   Thu, 27 May 2004 8:25 am
yamato38gunkei   I do not know ! But again, the very best are...   Thu, 27 May 2004 8:25 am
yamato38gunkei   It is impossible to buy the best Ranchu, because ...   Thu, 27 May 2004 8:25 am
yamato38gunkei   It may be a good idea to contact Alvin Lim !   Thu, 27 May 2004 8:25 am
Frankie   I'm so confused. If breeders such as Kashino...   Thu, 27 May 2004 12:56 pm
Frankie   Well these Jap breeders are actually culling out ...   Thu, 27 May 2004 3:35 pm
Frankie   I think that just because a girl do not make it t...   Fri, 28 May 2004 7:55 am
Frankie   These Ranchu are VERY VALUABLE to breed from ...   Fri, 28 May 2004 7:55 am
Frankie   I think if you are Mr Kashino. you will do the sa...   Fri, 28 May 2004 8:50 am
DIYGOLD   I think to understand what worth to buy takes a l...   Fri, 28 May 2004 6:16 pm


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