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Above, my lionchu 4 months ago. 4inches

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My lionchu now. 5.5inches
Frankie
That palm looks damn familiar. unsure.gif

Still... here's my frank comments. biggrin.gif

Given limited resources, this ranchu shows how important it is to buy the right fish. It's not a great fish to begin with. Although it's obvious green water have benefited its coloration, the fish's growth is still limited by its history/genes. The over-sized eyes and large scales tell us this fish is alot older than its size would make you believe. After four months of tender loving care (alright... if dumping it in a large volume of green water is considered "grooming"), it has grown a miserable 1 1/2 inch in length.

Compare with GA 007, in the same amount of time, that ranchu grew a massive 3 inches.

Fortunately the wen and cheeks of goldfish don't seem to be an area that could be stunted?

I hold the belief that large "space" for a fish to roam about freely can contribute to large, out of proportion, tails. Good quality water is more important that giving too much space -- this ranchu's tail is now so big it sky rocketed over the top of its back -- a big no-no in side-view Thai ranchu competition.

I still hate that rounded joint of its tails to its body -- someone did mentioned without confirmation that is also an indication the fish is inherently not able to grow big.



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Don't hate me.
Frankie
wow
wen definitely have grown.
but scales not so nice.
Frankie
QUOTE(Frankie @ Wed 21 Jul 2004 03:21 pm)
........it's obvious green water have benefited its coloration, the fish's growth is still limited by its history/genes.  The over-sized eyes and large scales tell us this fish is alot older than its size would make you believe.  After four months of tender loving care (alright... if dumping it in a large volume of green water is considered "grooming"), it has grown a miserable 1 1/2 inch in length.

Compare with GA 007, in the same amount of time, that ranchu grew a massive 3 inches....
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Halo.... GA007 grew from 2&1/2 inches to 5&1/4 in MORE THAN FIVE months time in green water. Growth rate for smaller fish is definitely faster. Growth rate will slow down as the fish grows bigger. This GA26 started from 4 inches. Able to grow 1&1/2 inches in 3 months' time is considered good liao. If growth rate is constant regardless of size, then we'll be seeing lots of giant ranchus (>7 inches) around in SG already. And who say the U-shape at point between tail and CP is a sign that it will not grow big? This is not a Louhan leh.

By standard of a SV ranchu, the body shape is considered very good. The wens growth is also commendable. I can see the head looks a little more majestic than when it was first bought. At least now I see that the meat is starting to cover its eyes already! good_very.gif . The scaled also took up its colour liao good_very.gif (Previously, most of its scales are losing colour). Nothing is mentioned if this fish is being groomed in green water, but I supposed it is. unsure.gif

The U-shape at the point where tail meets CP is a little turn off. So are the large scales. But there's really nothing much that can be done. I am more worried about the fish's swimming posture. The shape doesn't suggest it but the way it's photos were taken seems like it is suffering from some bouyancy problem? Mild or occasional head-down?

The owner possess excellent grooming skill!! good.gif
Frankie
Small fish growth rate is always fastest, from a tiny fries to 3" probably takes 2~2.5mths. Once hit 3-4 inches, the growth slow down. Not every goldfish grow the same rate.

If really talking about growth rate, it's not just length increase. This fish improve in mass. From a almost dying fish in lfs, get it up to health and grow it within a short 4 mths is no laughing matter. Noone will take such a risk to buy a dying fish, worst of all a risk of buying a stunt fish. 4 mths ago, the price for such a fish should be around 60-100 bucks. Will you do that ?

The growth bring back the fish to better proportion. In fact, the shape is very good. Wen growth, body mass and tail structure improvement are in control. Since this should be a lionchu, there are much more growth potential in it. I guess we do agree on the untidy scaling and the rounding at the penduncle. Looking at the before and after pictures, there are improvement.

In term of overall, this is still a good specimen. And the owner has done a great deal.

There are more than just dumping a fish in a large water vol.
Frankie
QUOTE(Frankie @ Wed 21 Jul 2004 03:21 pm)
I hold the belief that large "space" for a fish to roam about freely can contribute to large, out of proportion, tails.  Good quality water is more important that giving too much space -- this ranchu's tail is now so big it sky rocketed over the top of its back -- a big no-no in side-view Thai ranchu competition.
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I beg to disagree. If large "space" will cause the tail to grow out of proportion, then we should avoid buying fish from China, Japan and Thailand. All their fish are reared in ponds!
Frankie
QUOTE(Frankie @ Wed 28 Jul 2004 01:10 pm)
I beg to disagree. If large "space" will cause the tail to grow out of proportion, then we should avoid buying fish from China, Japan and Thailand. All their fish are reared in ponds!
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Ponds in farms are crowded.

"Large Space" as in large space with few fish. When you keep your fish in too large a "space" and let it roam freely, the tails will be bigger then normal.
Frankie
QUOTE(Frankie @ Wed 28 Jul 2004 04:48 pm)
Ponds in farms are crowded.
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i'm surprised to hear that... i've never seen a real farm, but pictures of kashino's farm never seem to be crowded to me.
mrchoco
QUOTE(Frankie @ Wed 28 Jul 2004 04:48 pm)
Ponds in farms are crowded.

"Large Space" as in large space with few fish.  When you keep your fish in too large a "space" and let it roam freely, the tails will be bigger then normal.
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Eh where you read from???
please explain more in detail

Mr Choco
Frankie
QUOTE(Frankie @ Wed 28 Jul 2004 05:46 pm)
i'm surprised to hear that... i've never seen a real farm, but pictures of kashino's farm never seem to be crowded to me.
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Kashino is a home breeder, thus he does not have a farm. If you compare his pond size to commercial ponds of say Tung hoi, Kashino pond's is small.

Its about getting the correct volume /per fish. Too much or too little will have adverse effect on the fish in outdoor conditions.
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