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white horse T1
bloody hell, the planting campaign in my sump tank has infested my tank with snails. plant also must quarantine.....wah lao. nobody tell me leh.

and this tiny buggers kept coming back eventhough i kill more than 50 alr in 2 go. they just kept crawling back from no where.

bought the Snail Stop potion to do them up once and for all with concentrated salt solution. I reckon it will take 2 weeks to rid them once and for all. LHS ask me to buy puffer fishes. tell them no thanks, i stick to snail posion. mad.gif
The Matrix
QUOTE(white horse T1 @ Mon 28 Jun 2004 08:02 PM)
bloody hell, the planting campaign in my sump tank has infested my tank with snails.  plant also must quarantine.....wah lao.  nobody tell me leh.

and this tiny buggers kept coming back eventhough i kill more than 50 alr in 2 go.  they just kept crawling back from no where.

bought the Snail Stop potion to do them up once and for all with concentrated salt solution.  I reckon it will take 2 weeks to rid them once and for all. LHS ask me to buy puffer fishes.  tell them no thanks, i stick to snail posion. mad.gif

salt dun kill snails, not even the transparent jelly like snail eggs nest hidden among the leaves. Take your fish out, pour in slightly higher concentration of copper safe for a few days. Not too sure will in destroy your filter but got to do it !!!

Always qt your plants with copper solution and PP dip to prevent such incidents.

Another way is to keep a small puffer fish, 1 will do the job. but puffer will die after the annihilation of snail population. Never put a puffer with goldfish. Big golden apple snail in puffer's eyes.
CyberET
i gave up trying to wipe out the snails infestation in my pond.. the other time i used PP and wipe out almost all.. 3 months later.. my filter chamber is filled with a few hundreds of them again mad.gif
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Mon 28 Jun 2004 08:31 PM)
Another way is to keep a small puffer fish, 1 will do the job. but puffer will die after the annihilation of snail population. Never put a puffer with goldfish. Big golden apple snail in puffer's eyes.

I love Puffer Fish! They are so cute hovering up and down the side of the tank....

Anyway... in this application the Puffer is unlikely to live long as they are brackwater fish. Also... kekeke... how do you quarantin a puffer fish (long enough) before it dies and enters the sump tank to attack the snails?

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mountain
does aquarium puffer fish really POP up like those we see in the sea???

when i fish with my dad when i was young outsea, we used to get them in the nets and he will bring to the shore, the dud will puff all round up and i would really like to see how far i can kick it out biggrin.gif (which i resisted)
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(mountain @ Tue 29 Jun 2004 08:57 AM)
does aquarium puffer fish really POP up like those we see in the sea???

when i fish with my dad when i was young outsea, we used to get them in the nets and he will bring to the shore, the dud will puff all round up and i would really like to see how far i can kick it out biggrin.gif  (which i resisted)

Yes they do! biggrin.gif

I once accidentally jolted the tank so much it gave the puffer a big shock and it puffed!

However, only the area under its chin was puffed instead of the whole fish.

It died shortly after. I was told stress killed it, and shocking it to make it puff is sure to kill it.
The Matrix
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Tue 29 Jun 2004 06:45 AM)
I love Puffer Fish!  They are so cute hovering up and down the side of the tank....

Anyway... in this application the Puffer is unlikely to live long as they are brackwater fish.  Also... kekeke... how do you quarantin a puffer fish (long enough) before it dies and enters the sump tank to attack the snails?

you dun quarantine a puffer. Just take the goldfish out, put in the puffer and let it live and die in there.
white horse T1
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Mon 28 Jun 2004 08:31 PM)
salt dun kill snails, not even the transparent jelly like snail eggs nest hidden among the leaves.

salt don kill snail? my primary school teacher says can wat....for those garden snail at least. melted into slimy juice....
don call SPCA hor.

i try one baby snail at home the other night. it stay dead when put on a block of salt; i tot it melted away.

snail egg confirm cannot kill. so have to do them in interval. and change the filter mat thereafter just in case the pest's bastard still hatching.... mad.gif
square_guy
QUOTE(white horse T1 @ Tue 29 Jun 2004 12:53 PM)
salt don kill snail?  my primary school teacher says can wat....for those garden snail at least.  melted into slimy juice....
don call SPCA hor.

i try one baby snail at home the other night.  it stay dead when put on a block of salt; i tot it melted away. 

err... the concentration level of the salt is not the same hor. if u put a huge block of salt into a 2 ft tank with a goldfish, i am pretty sure the goldfish will die too laugh.gif
white horse T1
aiya i not stupid.

Plan

1. Cut off the pump supply from sump tank to main tank, main tank will be aerated using sponge filter instead for 3 hrs. So sump tank water is disconnect with main tank.

2. Concoct concentrated salt solution and "KILL SNAIL" potion and wash it down in sump tank together with the filter element.

3. Let it soak for 3 hrs.

4. Remove all filter element into pail. Siphon main tank water to wash down the filter elements. kill off any tiny crawlers remaining in the sump tank.

5. Dump all filter mat and sponge filter in case the eggs are still attached there.
replace all filter elements back in sump tank.

6. Introduced de-chlorinated tap water into sump tank via main tank. start sump pump again.

7. Repeat process after 1 week.


any comment on my SNAIL Massacre compaign?? can work.....
HappyBuddha
I'm a lazy person, so here's my strategy to rid the snails.

1. Move all fishes into a tub. Aerate it strongly especially if it's a small tub.

2. Disconnect the pump and sump.

3. Discard all the water, filter media and of course the plant.

4. Let the tank and sump dry for a day.

5. Go shopping for cool sponge filters. Get 4.

6. Select 2 good fishes from that tub and cull the rest.

It's effectively a new setup without troublesome sump and filtered by good'ol sponge with correct fish load.

Nonit to worry (much) about water parameters leow.

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square_guy
wah liew... if that's the case, why not simply clean up the sump and dry it for say 1 week? or if more ks, PP bomb the sump then dry. or add hot water then dry??
CyberET
throw away everything peace.gif
white horse T1
QUOTE(square_guy @ Tue 29 Jun 2004 05:35 PM)
wah liew... if that's the case, why not simply clean up the sump and dry it for say 1 week? or if more ks, PP bomb the sump then dry. or add hot water then dry??

Bro, fish got to go somewhere right? no place alr. already clean up the sump tank and main tank once alr

hot water? would u try it on yr own tank?
white horse T1
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Tue 29 Jun 2004 05:35 PM)
I'm a lazy person, so here's my strategy to rid the snails.

1.  Move all fishes into a tub.  Aerate it strongly especially if it's a small tub.

2.  Disconnect the pump and sump.

3.  Discard all the water, filter media and of course the plant.

4.  Let the tank and sump dry for a day.

5.  Go shopping for cool sponge filters. Get 4.

6.  Select 2 good fishes from that tub and cull the rest.

It's effectively a new setup without troublesome sump and filtered by good'ol sponge with correct fish load.

Nonit to worry (much) about water parameters leow.

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somehow i get the feeling that u keen to see me cull my fishes.
the same way u did not give up on yr fries so earily, i too not prepare for this drastic measures also. besides i like my fishes but just not the snail.

plants long gone alr. fish load alr down to 6 now with 4 in green water at anyone time. so left with 2 miserable ones in main tank.
nitrate never exceed 40ppm.

more sponge filters in tank don't work miracle to water parameters. though not "much" to worry but still need diligent water change routine right. there is no short cut so i learn

sump and sponge serve their purposes, not prepare to get into the debate on which is best . nonetheless i only using sponge filter as complementing aerating system to existing sump setup. the same reason applies when u use IOS with sponge filter i believe.
CyberET
how effective the sponge filter depends on how strong the aeration is wor..
square_guy
QUOTE(white horse T1 @ Tue 29 Jun 2004 09:25 PM)
Bro, fish got to go somewhere right?  no place alr.  already clean up the sump tank and main tank once alr

hot water?  would u try it on yr own tank?

i thought you only gonna clean up the sump right? still got the main tank for your fishes wat. or u mean u gonna clean up both tanks ah?

hot water haven't try yet on galss tank tongue.gif only use before on acrylic tanks and they are ok hehe. i got PP so i use super PP bombing, then drain and dry for abt a week.

2 fish only ah? put into quarantine tubs lor. change water a few times during the week, but at least your main tank is cleared and certainly worth the trouble.
mountain
i would go for sunning everything in the slump tank for 1 or 2 weeks ...
if u have CR or any harden biomaterials .. can try boiling them .. tat should kill everything ..
1 or 2 weeks later if u dun see anymore snails hatching, u should be safe i guess ..
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(white horse T1 @ Tue 29 Jun 2004 09:54 PM)
somehow i get the feeling that u keen to see me cull my fishes.
the same way u did not give up on yr fries so earily, i too not prepare for this drastic measures also.  besides i like my fishes but just not the snail

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Actually... has the snails traveled to your main tank from the sump tank? If no, then temporarily filter the main tank with some sponge filters can leow while you disinfect the sump.
mountain
actually .. tat IS the advantange of slump tank .. can plug and play ..

imagine if my internal IOS kanna snail .. wa liao .. i will faint..

i will need so many pails .. rolleyes.gif
Allan
QUOTE(mountain @ Wed 30 Jun 2004 04:48 PM)
actually .. tat IS the advantange of slump tank .. can plug and play ..

Slump tank? In a sense you're probably right!

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imagine if my internal IOS kanna snail .. wa liao .. i will faint..


They just might jam your pump when the pump suck them through and crush their shells. The pump probably won't overheat since the impeller is not mechnically connected to the motor, but the lack of current may drive up your water temperature a little.

Touch wood.
white horse T1
QUOTE(white horse T1 @ Tue 29 Jun 2004 05:10 PM)
Plan

1.  Cut off the pump supply from sump tank to main tank,  main tank will be aerated using sponge filter instead for 3 hrs.  So sump tank water is disconnect with main tank.
2.  Concoct concentrated salt solution and "KILL SNAIL" potion and wash it down in sump tank together with the filter element.
3.  Let it soak for 3 hrs.
4.  Remove all filter element into pail.  Siphon main tank water to wash down the filter elements.  kill off any tiny crawlers remaining in the sump tank.
5.  Dump all filter mat and sponge filter in case the eggs are still attached there.
replace all filter elements back in sump tank.
6.  Introduced de-chlorinated tap water into sump tank via main tank.  start sump pump again.
7.  Repeat process after 1 week. 


any comment on my SNAIL Massacre compaign??  can work.....

Just to round this up, did everything except step 7.

dissolve 1kg of salt in hot water and pour it over the infected sump tank gradually.
also pour in the whole bottle of Snail stop solution.

the result after 1 week: not a single snail so far crawling around.
---it works.----
HappyBuddha
yippy!

now to figure out how to disinfect newly purchased plants before introducing them into your sump/tank.
white horse T1
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yippy!

now to figure out how to disinfect newly purchased plants before introducing them into your sump/tank.



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plants long gone alr. .
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(white horse T1 @ Sat 10 Jul 2004 07:46 pm)
biggrin.gif

plants long gone alr.  .
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Weekend almost over.... how ah? Managed to get rid of all the eggs this time? unsure.gif
desireless
Think plants need QT as much as fishes ah...

Boh bian then must add Dettol liao!! good_very.gif
white horse T1
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Sun 18 Jul 2004 08:13 pm)
Weekend almost over.... how ah?  Managed to get rid of all the eggs this time?  unsure.gif
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it was done and over with on Thursday night after i last posted this topic on Wed.
the pest population is much lesser compared to the last. not more than 10 found during this time round. the snails were frantically crawling up to the walls of the sump tank when the "posion" was applied and settled after 3 hrs.

last 3 days no sign yet.
scorpio168
Hi,

I have snail problems in my fish tank. Whats is the best ways to remove them? They are all growing in my filter...
desireless
There are some snail-removal discussions here. You may learn something out of White Horse's experience.
CP
QUOTE(scorpio168 @ Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:29 am) *

Hi,
I have snail problems in my fish tank. Whats is the best ways to remove them? They are all growing in my filter...

Some say that it is a sign of a healthy filter system.
I used to have that problem too, but just leave it alone as it does not harm my fish.
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