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RBT
Dear Friends,

My head is spinning,just read this link http://www.miraclekoifood.com

They r claiming no water change is needed!!!THIS has contradicted all that i have learnt this past months!!!!! cry.gif

Maybe there r referring to extremly low stocking level??

What u guys make of it?

Cheers
CyberET
rofl.gif
you using for koi or for goldfish? biggrin.gif
RBT
These types of fish MUST scold them everytime sucking spitting sucking spitting sooooo busy!!!!

Anyway,idea is,if such a thing(which was THE in thing 20-25 years back) can really work the way that they claim,any type of fish should be ok!!(ok right???)

errrr.....answer is gold fish hehe
CyberET
can lor.. fish don't grow well only ma.. biggrin.gif
RBT
QUOTE(CyberET @ Wed 30 Jun 2004 11:48 PM)
can lor.. fish don't grow well only ma.. biggrin.gif

yah i know i know yes.gif

but what they claim,so interesting!!(maybe me lazy to do water change shiok.gif )

anyway will put up which part i find super interesting tomorrow. peace.gif

Cheers
square_guy
wow, gravel filter for koi pond!

Elson how? u want or not? tongue.gif
CyberET
siao ah.. don't want! tongue1.gif
RBT
Dear Bros,the following is an excerpt which i have copied(please pardon any typo error).

Go to www.miraclekoifood.com.On the left look for F.A.Q.'s--highlight it then go to miscellaneous.Go to last paragraph ,of that page, 8 lines down.

quote".......The Clearwater Filter gives you 100% filtration all the time.After 90 days you can throw your PH test kit away if you have set the PH where you wanted it in this time period.Keep your hands out of the water.Use gloves(long ones).Don't over feed or you will have to clean the gravel which disturbs the ammonia and it will raise a little causing your nitrites & PH to be disturbed.DON'T make water changes.The water in your aquarium is better than the city sells you to drink.Just add the evaporated water back to your aquarium." end quote



sieow liao sieow liao, cry.gif

1.Does the nitrate really no longer accumulate?PH,surprise that it can maintain itself!!!

2.Hey,this is koi/gold fish we r talking abt,don't they go round the bottom sucking n spitting at the gravel? (looks like kicking themselves)

3.Don't fishes secrete growth inhibiting pheromone?n where does these go?the stocking level must be very low,right?

Oh yah,they did mention somewhere that the thickness of the gravel should not exceed 7" for FW n SW.


COMMENTS PLEASE!!! peace.gif
The Matrix
QUOTE(RBT @ Thu 01 Jul 2004 03:56 PM)
Keep your hands out of the water.Use gloves(long ones).

Tell me what is this about ? Can't I use bare hand in the water ?

QUOTE(RBT @ Thu 01 Jul 2004 03:56 PM)
Don't over feed

might as well dun keep fish.

QUOTE(RBT @ Thu 01 Jul 2004 03:56 PM)
or you will have to clean the gravel which disturbs the ammonia and it will raise a little causing your nitrites & PH to be disturbed.

doesn't that sounds like a denitrator ...

QUOTE(RBT @ Thu 01 Jul 2004 03:56 PM)
DON'T make water changes.The water in your aquarium is better than the city sells you to drink.

no scientific proof

QUOTE(RBT @ Thu 01 Jul 2004 03:56 PM)
1.Does the nitrate really no longer accumulate?PH,surprise that it can maintain itself!!! Oh yah,they did mention somewhere that the thickness of the gravel should not exceed 7" for FW n SW.

A denitration process at work.

Still need any comment ?
olddog
Perhaps this company can also sell you oil of snake! If not I will sell you some for half the price of this system.

Olddog
GF Lover
QUOTE(olddog @ Thu 01 Jul 2004 08:47 PM)
Perhaps this company can also sell you oil of snake!

Sorry. Don't understand your statement.
square_guy
actually, the product is possible. how neh?

1. feed very little. so very little waste.
2. Use denitrifying sand bed theory. use thick gravel layer for denitrification of the little nitrate produced.
3. Use zeolite as part of the gravel bed to absorb ammonia. no ammonia = no nitrification = no need worry too much abt pH drop.
4. Use some form of buffer as part of gravel bed.

See, very easy to get stable pH and no need to change water right (doesn't work on a permanent basis ah... too bad) tongue.gif
CyberET
kois love to dig the gravel for food sad.gif
The Matrix
the selling point is water , not fish. so who cares !?!
Jos Nana
Wah forever no need to change water ! This is better than someone at AF with 35 years preaching 4 months no need to change water !

Sibei lame !
Allan
QUOTE(RBT @ Thu 01 Jul 2004 03:56 PM)
COMMENTS PLEASE!!! peace.gif

It will work if you just want a goldfish tank in the office where the purpose is to for good fenshui and don't expect the goldfish to grow much but keeping them barely alive.

In this sense, any under-gravel filter will work.
RBT
Hi Guys,

M reading all posts made so far!!!!

Have been reading another Bro's post too,Ahem!!the one abt UGF.

Looks bad,taboo subject!!hehehe

Thanks to all Bros who commented b it good or not so good!!

Cheers n Thanks for the reply!!!! good_very.gif
jhansolo
QUOTE(square_guy @ Thu 01 Jul 2004 09:30 AM)
wow, gravel filter for koi pond!

Happens to come across this ... check out the pix

http://www.koivetforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13589

Undergravel for pond is almost like hiding everything nasty under the carpet.
CyberET
hehehe... in the past, i've ever found live worms in the filterbox chamber, good stuffs le! rofl.gif
desireless
How did those worms got there one ah? IPB Image
CyberET
QUOTE(desireless @ Wed 14 Jul 2004 05:50 PM)
How did those worms got there one ah? IPB Image
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think some wormy parent flew into the filterbox and lay eggs...
wala.. wormies in filterbox biggrin.gif
desireless
I forgot who but one bro here found red worms in his filter. He don't feed live blood worms but the blood worm just appear out of nowhere one... eeks..IPB Image
CyberET
good stuffs le, fish eat liaoz fat fat rofl.gif
top_view_ranchu
QUOTE(CyberET @ Wed 14 Jul 2004 05:52 PM)
think some wormy parent flew into the filterbox and lay eggs...
wala.. wormies in filterbox biggrin.gif
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Hi ET,
How did you managed to solve that problem?
I mean, permanent measure.

Regards.
CyberET
QUOTE(top_view_ranchu @ Wed 14 Jul 2004 07:21 PM)
Hi ET,
How did you managed to solve that problem?
I mean, permanent measure.

Regards.
*


wash my filter inside out, make sure no more dead water zones, 0.6% salt for a month.. of course i wiped out my BB in the process of washing laugh.gif
top_view_ranchu
QUOTE(CyberET @ Wed 14 Jul 2004 07:32 PM)
wash my filter inside out, make sure no more dead water zones, 0.6% salt for a month.. of course i wiped out my BB in the process of washing laugh.gif
*



I did what you mentioned before, but problem persisted.
I think it was those flies kept returning to lay eggs.
Finally, have to cover filter compartment with a green net. sad.gif

Regards.
CyberET
QUOTE(top_view_ranchu @ Wed 14 Jul 2004 08:50 PM)
I did what you mentioned before, but problem persisted.
I think it was those flies kept returning to lay eggs.
Finally, have to cover filter compartment with a green net. sad.gif

Regards.
*


yup yup.. cover to prevent the parents from returning to lay eyes biggrin.gif
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