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HappyBuddha
I was googling and came across this unusual (to me) goldfish at a Japanese web site.

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It has the head of a top-view ranchu but a butterfly tails. There's a dorsal fin on the ranchu-like body; I wonder how it looks from the side.

I can't read Japanese, but here's the page with more goldfishes I've never seen before.

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LASERGUY
Looks like oranda but this is sure a rocker! shiok.gif
kingyoo
おらんだ


I can read some Japanese, this says Oranda. Some of the pics on this site has these characters under it. I cannot be certain if it is saying it is an oranda or looks like oranda.

This page is an advertisment for a "in taa netto kingyo-ya" which means internet goldfish store.


When my Mom comes to visit this holiday season , I will ask her to translate for me. If you guys want to know exactly what it says.
The Matrix
top part talk sale sale sale ....

the fishes look like jap top view oranda. cheek improved.
kingyoo
Ok, my nihonjin otomodachi (Japanese friend) translated some for me. He was busy so he couldnt' give me details.

On the whole, this page describes Oranda goldfish for sale at this goldfish store. Each photo lists the owner (breeder?) of the fish shown.

My friend was puzzled in that he doesn't know some of the meaning, because he doesn't know anything about goldfish. If fact he was asking what an Oranda was?

Any way I hope this helps in anyway. But I suspect that these fish are Japanese Oranda.

They are super nice! I never thought Oranda would be a top view type of fish.
HappyBuddha
Ah... so those might be the Japanese Orandas (although the one I posted has an even rarer ranchu-like head). I would have guessed that the particular one I posted is a Demekin. Of course, the rest in that page do not have a butterfly tails.

Now I know Japanese Oranda can be apprciated from the top. I hope they still look fabulous from the side. yes.gif
kingyoo
Ironically, Oranda is Japanese translation for english "Holland" Back in the old days, this type of fish was known as a "Dutch Ranchu", but shortened to just called Oranda (Holland).
So this oranda having a strong ranchu wen may truly be what an oranda should look like.
The Matrix
QUOTE(kingyoo @ Sat 06 Dec 2003 09:00 AM)
Ironically, Oranda  is Japanese translation for english "Holland" Back in the old days, this type of fish was known as a "Dutch Ranchu", but shortened to just called Oranda (Holland).
So this oranda having a strong ranchu wen may truly be  what an oranda should look like.

woooo ... yup. oranda should actually hv the tail and body of the ancient ryukin and a goose head; a cross between a ryukin and a lionhead. straight back, high head growth and graceful tail.

HB, that butterfly tail in the pic need a lot to improve if they really want to move to that region of breeding. But a japan oranda should hv a slightly smaller head growth then the present chinese oranda and elongated body. if i remembered correctly, there are some clubs that actually do annual competition in tokyo in april or may for other varieties.

the only fish that still compete in the side view is ryukin. jikin is actually bred for top view.
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(demekin @ Sat 06 Dec 2003 09:58 AM)
the only fish that still compete in the side view is ryukin. jikin is actually bred for top view.

Do they compete the pearlscales? I for one prefer to look at Pearlies from the top where the body is ball-shape. It's like having ping pong balls in the tub. In this light, the short-tail variety is preferred.

... but those damn malaysian pealies with short-tails are difficult to keep alive the last time I tried. I'll attempt it when I have a new tub.
kingyoo
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but those damn malaysian pealies with short-tails are difficult to keep alive the last time I tried


What happens to them HB? What kind of disease or sickness?
HappyBuddha
Nothing of this sort but sigh... it was my fault.

Here's their class photo. I love the one with a number 3 pattern on its back.

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Read what happen to them at the old board.

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Inxs
This is a japanese Goldfish. I saw it in magazine. As usual loh side view not nice. unsure.gif You like slim type now har? biggrin.gif
Jos Nana
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Sat 06 Dec 2003 08:45 AM)
Ah... so those might be the Japanese Orandas (although the one I posted has an even rarer ranchu-like head).  I would have guessed that the particular one I posted is a Demekin.  Of course, the rest in that page do not have a butterfly tails. 

Now I know Japanese Oranda can be apprciated from the top. I hope they still look fabulous from the side.  yes.gif

Just like ranchu, the Japs see, keep and compete orandas them in top view
kingyoo
Nice pearlscale goldfish. They look like Christmas tree ornaments!

So nice and round. Perfection!
Allan
QUOTE(Jos Nana @ Sat 06 Dec 2003 02:19 PM)
Just like ranchu, the Japs see, keep and compete orandas them in top view

How a topview ranchu swims carries the most weight in competition.

Does the same applies to a topview oranda too? unsure.gif
The Matrix
QUOTE(Fatallan @ Sat 06 Dec 2003 04:42 PM)
How a topview ranchu swims carries the most weight in competition.

Does the same applies to a topview oranda too?  unsure.gif

everything is about gracefulness. very subjective right ?
The Matrix
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Sat 06 Dec 2003 10:08 AM)
Do they compete the pearlscales?  I for one prefer to look at Pearlies from the top where the body is ball-shape.  It's like having ping pong balls in the tub. In this light, the short-tail variety is preferred.

... but those damn malaysian pealies with short-tails are difficult to keep alive the last time I tried.  I'll attempt it when I have a new tub.

hmmm so far i dun recall, maybe got to flip thru those books.

try buying pearl again lah ... they are very nice fish leh.
chrisamos
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Fri 05 Dec 2003 09:44 PM)
I was googling and came across this unusual (to me) goldfish at a Japanese web site.

It has the head of a top-view ranchu but a butterfly tails.  There's a dorsal fin on the ranchu-like body; I wonder how it looks from the side.

I can't read Japanese, but here's the page with more goldfishes I've never seen before.

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this is a top view Oranda, in japan they try to breed all type of goldfish to be view from the top. but some may fail.

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HappyBuddha
Two more topview japanese (calico) oranda for you guys and gals to see. These looks great eh? yes.gif

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Allan
JK Aquatic has two top-view calico Oranda, very similar to those in the above photo!

One is about 8-9 inches (including the long tails) while the other with a more rounded head and about 5 inches costs $500 and $300 respectively.

They look really nice.

JK also have another variety of goldfish which unfortunately I cannot name as I have not seen them before. They are calico but single tailed. Looks like huge feeder goldfish but being from Japan I'm sure they are expensive goldfish that I don't know how to appreciate.

Go take a look; they are housed at the backyard tubs. As a courtesy, do ask for permission before you go inside.

I also saw in the backyard a topview ranchu with a massive headgrowth, under treatment for Dropsy. Sad. They are using yellow powder but I don't know if it's BeFuran or the Japanese Yellow Powder.
kingyoo
Ok, got more translation on this site.

The fish shop is in the Shinjuku district of Tokyo. This type of oranda is called oranda shishi gashira. But I don't know what it means. This is a sort of advertisement for these type of oranda. It says that these are easy to care for and just "follow your heart" for keeping this fish healthy. What ever that means. There is really not a direct translation for this.

The customers who bought some of these oranda shishi gashira in the past have really loved these fish and enjoy them.

That's about it. No prices were posted. Then the single pictures again just show each fish and it's owner.
kingyoo
Hi Happybuddah!

I found some interesting info about the name of these goldfish from the web site.

I wrote earlier...
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This type of oranda is called oranda shishi gashira


I haven't been around because I have been busy researching. I bought a few older goldfish books that were written 40 to 80 years ago. Very cool stuff.

Any way... oranda shishigashira translates to "dutch lionhead". Which implies that the use of "dutch" sort of like "false or pretend" to make this a valid variety. Remember, this comes from old text.

I found lot's of interesting names for goldfish in the old days.

So the use of the full name for the oranda on this web site makes me think that these oranda resemble the oranda that were bred 100 or so years ago.

If you want me to post more "interesting goldfish history" let me know. I won't do it on my own as I would hate to bore you guys. Since some of you, (Demekin wink.gif ) already know this stuff.
mountain
beg1.gif Post POst!! PosT!! beg1.gif
who object to more knowledge??!!
dennis
Please, do post. tongue.gif
Goldenpearl
I believe its just the ful name of Oranda in Japan if iam not mistaking.

If have read about the Name Oranda that it was chosen because the headgrowht reminded the Japanse of The duthc People.
The Nethelands was one of the fiew countrys wo had have contackt/trade whit Japan in years the weare verry isolated and dont let outher counrys near there country.Back in those days The VOC Captians and novelty,upperclas whore wigs those days (hich and curly) could remind them of there headgrowt, i dont have anny evedince of that.

Also i have also read the strory That Oranda typ me have been found in dutch goldfisgfarms (fish that where taken oversea's came in the whit the VOC, and where taken back to Asia/Japan and the cultivated the type.
Holland/The Netherlands was one of the first countrys whit a Goldfisgfarm, if not the frst in europa.I believe the first goldfish arived in Portugal.
Gary
QUOTE(Goldenpearl @ Thu, 29 Oct 2009 2:01 pm) *

I believe its just the ful name of Oranda in Japan if iam not mistaking.

If have read about the Name Oranda that it was chosen because the headgrowht reminded the Japanse of The duthc People.
The Nethelands was one of the fiew countrys wo had have contackt/trade whit Japan in years the weare verry isolated and dont let outher counrys near there country.Back in those days The VOC Captians and novelty,upperclas whore wigs those days (hich and curly) could remind them of there headgrowt, i dont have anny evedince of that.

Also i have also read the strory That Oranda typ me have been found in dutch goldfisgfarms (fish that where taken oversea's came in the whit the VOC, and where taken back to Asia/Japan and the cultivated the type.
Holland/The Netherlands was one of the first countrys whit a Goldfisgfarm, if not the frst in europa.I believe the first goldfish arived in Portugal.


Is a very old thread.
Anyway I'm posting my Top View Oranda with their baby. My breed I had actually selected the fry to be a short body and a wider body when view from side but still having the Top View Appreciation.

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hondataeg6
Gary, you're oranda are beautiful. These are not available in the states. I have crossed a tvr and a Thai oranda to try and make my own.
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