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Hi,
I'm new here. I like to commemt that this is a very resourceful site.
Lots of info and technique to learn from.
I have two ranchus, in a 4 ft thank. Claim to be from Thailand when bought.

After looking for more ranchu. I understand that there are two types of Ranchu.
Top View and Side View.
What are the differences?

Regards
Thanks

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mountain
welcome to Rafflesgold.

you can get a lot of photos from this other location with both side view and topview

Click this link
mrchoco
one kind is appreciated from the top
another kind is appreciated from the side.
ranchu
QUOTE(mrchoco @ Thu 19 Aug 2004 12:47 am)
one kind is appreciated from the top
another kind is appreciated from the side.
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You mean the looks?
CP
The main difference is the price. wink.gif

I too am new to this hobby,taken up slightly more than a year ago.As their name suggests,topview(TV) is appreciated from top whereas sideview(SV) from side.

Main sources of SV are Malaysia, China and Thai with Thai fishes leading in terms of quality but of course more pricey.

TV are from Thai and Japan.Japanese only appreciate ranchus from top,like koi,and sideviews from Japan are unheard of (for me anyway).Of course, Japanese TV is more expensive than Thai.

As a begineer,I am presently keeping only SVs ( I currently have 11 Thais) as I find that it is easier to tell one good SV from another.The art of appreciating TV,in my opinion,is not an easy skill to be mastered and may take years to learn.Why do I say so?Well,if I walk into a LFS and see a SV without its price tag,I can roughly guess how much the fish is selling for and when the owner quotes me the price it will be not very far off.As for TVs,I probably cant tell the difference between a $200 and $1,000 fish.

There are forumers here who have honed the skills to the extent that they know or can roughly guess from which breeders the TV is from from the look of the fish.
I am not discouraging you from 'playing' TVs,to me that is the pinnacle of Ranchu appreciation which I will someday start,but my advice (begineer's advice) is to be patient,learn more before parting with your hard earned money.

I have heard that some unscroupolous dealers are passing off Thai TVs as Japs,and some are marketed as bloodlines (Thai fish with Japan origin) so do read up more and shop around before buying.

Another thing.Even with SVs,my advice is BE PATIENT!When I first started I was so exicted I keep buying fishes and my tank was full in no time.Naturally I keep upgrading my fishes and giving away the older ones and trust me, it is not cheap!

I started with fishes costing a few bucks,then 20 bucks,then 50 then 100 then 200.I think I spent more than 2k already in one year.And,never ever tell your wife
the true cost of the fish! bash.gif My guideline is 25%.

Enjoy.
ranchu
QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Thu 19 Aug 2004 04:07 pm)
The main difference is the price. wink.gif

I too am new to this hobby,taken up slightly more than a year ago.As their name suggests,topview(TV) is appreciated from top whereas sideview(SV) from side....
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Thanks for the advice man. Can share some good LFS you usually buy your fish from? I'm more keen side view type. Can see the shape, and can easilly spot visual problem.
Thx man.
CP
I used to patronise 133 AMK and 'Home of Ranchu' however both shops are no longer in business recently. cry.gif They carry nice SVs but apparently market for SV not very large unlike TVs.However I am still in touch with the shopowner and the regulars for any updates.

You can check the list of LFS posted by the administrator under the FAQ section.
BlueBubble
QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Thu 19 Aug 2004 04:55 pm)
I used to patronise 133 AMK and 'Home of Ranchu' however both shops are no longer in business recently. cry.gif They carry nice SVs but apparently market for SV not very large unlike TVs.However I am still in touch with the shopowner and the regulars for any updates.

You can check the list of LFS posted by the administrator under the FAQ section.
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hehe, it should be market for "high end" SV is not very large.
HappyBuddha
Thank you for writing, cpiw2002. Well put! With some minor correction this could end up becoming a pinned FAQ.

QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Thu 19 Aug 2004 03:07 pm)
TV are from Thai and Japan.Japanese only appreciate ranchus from top,like koi,and sideviews from Japan are unheard of (for me anyway).Of course, Japanese TV is more expensive than Thai.
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Although majority of ranchu keepers in Japan appreciate ranchus from the top, there are sideview ranchu fanatics in Japan. Don't forget that, all ranchus originated from Japan. But let's not make this a public knowledge or silly LFSs will start marketing sideview ranchus "with Japan bloodline" and jack up the prices. rofl2.gif
desireless
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Thu 19 Aug 2004 05:57 pm)
But let's not make this a public knowledge or silly LFSs will start marketing sideview ranchus "with Japan bloodline" and jack up the prices.  rofl2.gif
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Oh but it has already started... at the fish aquarium named "R**N**W" :sssh

scary how they priced their so-called (Thai bred) "JAPANESE SIDE VIEW" ranchu... rofl2.gif

Then if you walk further in, you can find a $500 tank also labelled as "JAPANESE SIDE VIEW" ranchu. Got lionchu somemore. Cost about $500 per fish death.gif... I never knew Japan exports SV ranchus that looks to me like 99% imported Thai. mad1.gif
CyberET
got...
japan import liaoz, then some blur blur go export from japan to sg..
japanese sv ranchu lor biggrin.gif
desireless
Really? Wow... then it is going to happen again... why get from Japan when you can get from TL? ummm... no.gif

Anyway.. Oh yeah... looking forward to KASHINO bloodline SV ranchu! good.gif
The Matrix
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Thu 19 Aug 2004 05:57 pm)
Thank you for writing, cpiw2002.  Well put!

Don't forget that, all ranchus originated from Japan. 

But let's not make this a public knowledge or silly LFSs will start marketing sideview ranchus "with Japan bloodline" and jack up the prices.  rofl2.gif
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Yo, Ranchu was a name given by CHINESE and got re-wrote as the present word Ran-Chu!!!! And Egg shaped fish are CHINA origin.

Actually all prices also kenna jack up lah. Demand and supply problem. During last year peak period, ryukin can fetch over 3 digits, not low 2 digit can get a decent one. In fact, ranchu price also dipping fast and a lot of lionchu surfacing.
The Matrix
QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Thu 19 Aug 2004 03:07 pm)
Enjoy.
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WELL DONE !
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Fri 20 Aug 2004 01:13 am)
Yo, Ranchu was a name given by CHINESE and got re-wrote as the present word Ran-Chu!!!! And Egg shaped fish are CHINA origin.
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Ooops. I flunk history....

From what I understand, lionhead is chinese's "egg fish" and the japanese bred it to become their own lionhead calling it ranchu, tio boh? It's like comet is american. Of course if you are strict about it, all goldfish originated from china. Please correct me if that's not right. unsure.gif Thanks.
The Matrix
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Fri 20 Aug 2004 05:23 am)
Ooops. I flunk history....

From what I understand, lionhead is chinese's "egg fish" and the japanese bred it to become their own lionhead calling it ranchu, tio boh?  It's like comet is american.  Of course if you are strict about it, all goldfish originated from china.  Please correct me if that's not right. unsure.gif Thanks.
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Osaka ranchu lor.

Comet actually is a proud production of America. From the ancient line of goldfish.

Ironically, most of the popular varieties are "exported and remodified" version... ryukin, ranchu, shubunkin, comet ... till now, the traditional varieties still largely controlled and dominated by China - bubble eyes, moor, pearl, oranda.

hehehehehehe ... becos many love red/white ... where the traditional still orangy.
ksh
Hello,

I am new to Ranchu. I have some questions:

1. How to differentiate between the TVR and SVR? Usually, both TVR and SVR are displaying in aquarium and you can only view them from the side.

2. What is the price different for a normal TVR and SVR? I found that the TVR seems to be command high price compared to SVR in the local fish shop.


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