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t3r
Hi guys,was juz reading up on lots of old treads and got alot more knowledge abt goldfish keeping but also at the same time some doubts on my keeping methods..Do u guys remove ya goldfish from ya main tank during water change then put them back after awhile or juz change the water with them inside??? ohmy.gif
CP
Personal preference.If you need to change 100% do the former.
I change 80% so I do the latter.
The Matrix
QUOTE(t3r @ Tue, 22 Feb 2005 3:06 am)
Hi guys,was juz reading up on lots of old treads and got alot more knowledge abt goldfish keeping but also at the same time some doubts on my keeping methods..Do u guys remove ya goldfish from ya main tank during water change then put them back after awhile or juz change the water with them inside???  ohmy.gif
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if only a small cleaning up of dirt, then just be more careful, no need to get them out. but for delicated fish, best to isolate them from the powerful suction.

if a 80%-full change, of course take out.
CyberET
i sucked the eye out cry.gif
The Matrix
QUOTE(CyberET @ Tue, 22 Feb 2005 9:55 am)
i sucked the eye out cry.gif
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same same ... hahahahahaha
CP
Actually I would much prefer to change 100% each time but lazy to net the fish out.
So I usually siphon the water all the way to the min depth that can still contain the fish,which is abt 20% of the tank water.So change only 80%.

But would like to advise begineers reading this that you can do that only if your stocking level is on the low side and you know that the nitrate levels are kept under control.
jhansolo
That's strange, I put all my fish in a container when I change water, get all the water out from the tank and then put in new water. The fish only gets out 15 minutes later.

I thought everyone is doing that.
goldrush
I do a total water change with a spare tank.100% change every 3 days.The tank are disinfected with KMno4 and sponge filter wash before top up and ready to accept fishes from another tank scheduled for a next tank water change the very next day. yes.gif yes.gif yes.gif

regards

goldrush
goldrush
Incidentally,still on topic of water changes,can those bros who rent ponds outside tell me if they are allowed to do 100% water change and if so what sort of water introduction is made after the change.If a pond is rather big in capacity I would imagine the time to top up and time taken to equate the optimal water parameter after the change.???????Kindly comment.Thxs in advance

regards

goldrush
CP
QUOTE(goldrush @ Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:05 pm)
Incidentally,still on topic of water changes,can those bros who rent ponds outside tell me if they are allowed to do 100% water change and if so what sort of water introduction is made after the change.If a pond is rather big in capacity I would imagine the time to top up and time taken to equate the optimal water parameter after the change.???????Kindly comment.Thxs in advance

regards

goldrush
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Yo Goldrush,

It is almost impossible to equate the water parameters as the source is from nature.At most you can only equate the temperature. sad.gif That is why it is much more riskier keeping them in rented ponds and all my prayer.gif cases occur at the ponds.Water quality varies and fluctuates especially when you have wet and dry spells.

There are 2 methods to do 100% change.If you have only 1 pond,gather your fishes in a pail or tub then drain off the pond water and then refill.
Some rent more than one so they transfer the fishes to the empty pond,change the water in the existing pond,refill it,them come back next week and repeat the same process.

Filling up the pond is not a hassle though,the pumps are of high capacity and a 6'x8' can be filled in abt 5 minutes.

I do not know what you mean by "allowed to do 100% change",but at our place (96 Sg Tengah) because water is not recycled (ie drained off pond water is not re-used) the landlord always keeps an eye on water wastage and will tell you off if you waste water.The current dry spell is a major headache for him,his reservoir (in the form of a well) is drying up and he has to ensure all his 'tenants' has ample water supply.

Regards
cpiw
goldrush
Thxs for your reply appreciate your prompt response.
So you can change water only once a week or can you change any time if you visit the pond more often in a week.If sickness is prevalent how do you disinfect and treat your fish especially if water may come from the same soure of contaminants even after water changes.
t3r
Thanks for the enlightening guys! peace.gif peace.gif Anyway I've always been doing ard 50% change once a week for my 4 ranchus in my 3footer,seems like its not enough ya?? ohmy.gif ohmy.gif
CyberET
i do 95% change for my single demekin in my 100L 2ft wink.gif
Seacucumber
change water?? tats a annual chore for me.... wink.gif
The Matrix
50% where got enough. 95-100% weekly and 2 of my blue tubs 3-4 days full change. The rest of the 100L discus tanks, every day twice change. wah piang ... water is cheap !
CP
QUOTE(goldrush @ Tue, 22 Feb 2005 2:55 pm)
Thxs for your reply appreciate your prompt response.
So you can change water only once a week  or can you change any time if you visit the pond more often in a week.If sickness is prevalent how do you disinfect and treat your fish especially  if water may come from the same soure of contaminants even after water changes.
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If you have tonnes of money in the bank and no need to work you can go down daily to change water but for most working people we do it once a week heh heh heh

But like I mentioned earlier if you have only 2 goldfish in a 8' pond and you do massive changes the landlord will tell you flykite.gif for wasting water.He doesnt make much from tenants.Though water is free,his overheads includes providing pumps and electrictiy and after the set up costs and rentals paid to our garment the $50 or so that he charges you for a 6 to 8 ft pond monthly is not much.

For my case,I rent from Sean (HOR) so its not directly dealing with the landlord.He takes care of my fishes including disease treatments.Abt 3 weeks back my pond was affected by external parasites.What he did was isolate them in tubs using PUB water and administer treatment.For pond cleaning and disinfecting he normally uses chlorine granules which he sprinkles onto the bare pond and giving it a scrub.

AFAIK,there has been no cases of bad water supply affecting the whole farm with the same disease outbreak thus far.

Hope that answers your query.

Regards
cpiw
CP
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Tue, 22 Feb 2005 3:58 pm)
50% where got enough. 95-100% weekly and 2 of my blue tubs 3-4 days full change. The rest of the 100L discus tanks, every day twice change. wah piang ... water is cheap !
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Wah, hoh miah, no need to work.

What is a discus tank, or do you mean you keep discus as well?
goldrush
Thxs for the briefing cpiw2002

Maybe you can fish out the fish do a KMn04 disinfection on the pond(the measurement of ppm not that critical as no fear of overdosage)See the purple turn brown and then drain off the water before refilling it.Clear any remnants of KMn04 with a pinch of H202 and add the fish there after.This can clear some parasitic infestation if any present and reduce the bioload of the pond water as well.Just a suggestion to improve the husbandry of your outdoor pond.

regards

goldrush
CyberET
drain dry and use the all natural, free, efficient direct sunlight, unless your pond is shaded?
mountain
QUOTE(t3r @ Tue, 22 Feb 2005 3:06 am)
Hi guys,was juz reading up on lots of old treads and got alot more knowledge abt goldfish keeping but also at the same time some doubts on my keeping methods..Do u guys remove ya goldfish from ya main tank during water change then put them back after awhile or juz change the water with them inside???  ohmy.gif
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Hi, water change should always take these couple of factors into consideration.

1) you want to protect the bio materials from collapsing.
2) maintaining the right buffer
3) clearing the chlrines and choloromine
4) temperature
5) condition of the fish.

what are the risk to the fish if u leave them in the water? i.e. if you are change a small percentage and the existing water condition being good, you can leave them in. Or, the fish is weak from previous ordeals and the change in condition would affect them .. take them out .. OR .. big tails fishes vs strong water currents from the hose .. take them out .. etc ..

experiences .. water change depends on what you have set up and can only be learn thru experiences. Practise more often smile.gif and match what you have read on the forum vs the test results. Its fun, but don't be overwhelm that it kills you rather then the fish.
The Matrix
QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Tue, 22 Feb 2005 4:30 pm)
Wah, hoh miah, no need to work.

What is a discus tank, or do you mean you keep discus as well?
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wake up early change water, go work, come home change water. ya, i breeding discus. important is how u design the system to change fast.

like some fishes, water storage will be important. drain the tank, open another tap to flow the stored water then let it auto fill thru the piping network lor. tanks also need to be redesign to allow bottom draining instead of using hose. go mainland and look at how they setup their tanks. u will get the idea.

anyway, for goldfish, i use a larger diameter hose. drain down real fast and not wasting time at all. a blue tub only takes less than 5 mins to drain, 10 mins to fill. by the time u half fill 1 tub, i can switch to fill another tub which already drained. within an hour, i can drained off all my tanks and another hour to fill up all.

that's my weekly workout.
infocus
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:13 pm)
wake up early change water, go work, come home change water. ya, i breeding discus. important is how u design the system to change fast.

like some fishes, water storage will be important. drain the tank, open another tap to flow the stored water then let it auto fill thru the piping network lor. tanks also need to be redesign to allow bottom draining instead of using hose. go mainland and look at how they setup their tanks. u will get the idea.

anyway, for goldfish, i use a larger diameter hose. drain down real fast and not wasting time at all. a blue tub only takes less than 5 mins to drain, 10 mins to fill. by the time u half fill 1 tub, i can switch to fill another tub which already drained. within an hour, i can drained off all my tanks and another hour to fill up all.

that's my weekly workout.
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Wow! You must be pumping your discus very hard to change water twice daily. So all your discus very big and solid ones? Can post some picture in "others" forum to see see or not?drool.gif

Back to goldfish, can we change water like what we are doing for the discus? Can the goldfish take the massive water change?
t3r
QUOTE(mountain @ Tue, 22 Feb 2005 6:19 pm)
Hi, water change should always take these couple of factors into consideration.

1) you want to protect the bio materials from collapsing.
2) maintaining the right buffer
3) clearing the chlrines and choloromine
4) temperature
5) condition of the fish.

what are the risk to the fish if u leave them in the water? i.e. if you are change a small percentage and the existing water condition being good, you can leave them in. Or, the fish is weak from previous ordeals and the change in condition would affect them .. take them out .. OR .. big tails fishes vs strong water currents from the hose .. take them out .. etc ..

experiences .. water change depends on what you have set up and can only be learn thru experiences. Practise more often smile.gif and match what you have read on the forum vs the test results. Its fun, but don't be overwhelm that it kills you rather then the fish.
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Thanks for the detailed info Mountain,anyway any feedback on using oxycure after water changes?Seem like a pretty good product,helps to prevent infectious diseases and stuff..
mountain
QUOTE(t3r @ Tue, 01 Mar 2005 2:38 am)
Thanks for the detailed info Mountain,anyway any feedback on using oxycure after water changes?Seem like a pretty good product,helps to prevent infectious diseases and stuff..
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salt and oxycure is used for purpose of QT, disease / stress management. If your fish is not sick nor stress, i personally find it not necessary. If we are not sick, you don't take flu tablets everyday do we..

but IF your fish is not well, it would be a necessarry process together with salt dips. hope this helps, there has been a lot of previous discussions on salt. read around the old threads smile.gif
blueye
QUOTE(mountain @ Tue, 01 Mar 2005 8:46 am)
salt and oxycure is used for purpose of QT, disease / stress management. If your fish is not sick nor stress, i personally find it not necessary. If we are not sick, you don't take flu tablets everyday do we..

but IF your fish is not well, it would be a necessarry process together with salt dips. hope this helps, there has been a lot of previous discussions on salt. read around the old threads  smile.gif
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Talk about stresses, I have 2 similar experiences of goldfish slowly dying off after about 80% water change each time. However, usually I will check water PH (using PH kit) and apply anti-chlorine agent before refilling the tank. Hence I can only suspect temperature thoughthe water directly from the tap seems ok.

Later, white spots appear all over the goldfish and they will stay at the bottom and became less active and died off after a day. sad.gif

Anyone can offer me an advise?
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