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CP
This is not a discussion neither is it rubbish talk but just my point of view with regards to etiquette.Neither is this post directed at anyone.

Many a times we have a situation whereby a forumer posts his fish for one reason or another only for someone to ask - "How much did you pay for it?"

Things are always sensitive when in comes to money.I am sure that you don't say hello to someone you've just met and then ask "so how much do you earn a month", right? Unless you grew up in Timbuktu, of course.

You may tell yourself "no harm asking what, if he deem it private he will not answer lor", but to me it puts the other party in an awkward situation whereby by not answering your question he may be perceived as snobbish.

There are a host of reasons why some may not like to disclose the price of their purchase:
1)He buys very cheap fish and do not wish people to perceive him as a poor man or a cheapskate
2)He buys expensive fish but is afraid that by revealing the price people will think that he has been suckered (carrot head or chai tow)
3)He buys expensive fish and by letting everyone know(when asked) people may think that he is a show off.
4)He may have got a very good discount from the shop because the boss is his friend and by revealing the cheap price it may be "misleading" info in some sense

Normally if a forumer does not mind letting others know the price he will disclose it in advance.Such as "Got this piece for $35 from.......comments pls".

I am not saying that you cannot enquire the price of the fish.It is perfectly OK to ask.You may have bought a similiar piece and would like to compare the price of your purchase and his, for eg.Or maybe just a plain kaypoh. But PLEASE, do it in private.PM the owner your request.It is much more polite this way and if the owner chooses to keep the purchase price private he will make his intention known to you in private so it will save both parties some embarrasement in a way.

Okie dokie guys??????????? smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif
ranchu8
sounds reasonable, let me think harder; slightly off topic, but how about asking him from where did he buy the fish?
CP
Thats OK, but then again there are some shops unofficially known as con shops here and if the owner reveals that he has purchased it from the shop he may be concerned that people will think that he has been suckered.

So if he chooses not to answer your question people may perceive that he does not like to share.

But then again such scenarios are very rare so its perfectly OK to enquire on the source of fish IMO.
ranchu8
QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:34 pm)
Thats OK, but then again there are some shops unofficially known as con shops here ...
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wah, which shops are known as con shops here, without revealing names? good_very.gif
CP
If I name the shop I may subject myself to legal action.

If I dont name the shop people may not get it.

If I choose not to answer people will think I am selfish and refuse to share.

Answer die don't answer also die.Another type of question to avoid. sad.gif


Scan thru the old posts la.......I'm sure you already know it more or less.
ranchu8
QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:45 pm)
If I name the shop I may subject myself to legal action.

If I dont name the shop people may not get it.

If I choose not to answer people will think I am selfish and refuse to share.

Answer die don't answer also die.Another type of question to avoid. sad.gif
Scan thru the old posts la.......I'm sure you already know it more or less.
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just trying to give an example of a difficult question to answer la tongue.gif (feeling mischievous)
white horse T1
QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Thu, 02 Jun 2005 9:59 pm)
1)He buys very cheap fish and do not wish people to perceive him as a poor man or a cheapskate
4)He may have got a very good discount from the shop because the boss is his friend and by revealing the cheap price it may be "misleading" info in some sense
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bro lau, tongue.gif
i declared i am a cheapo that buy cheap fish. blush.gif
i declared i ve no discount for the cheap fish i buy bec they are mostly in "leftover, discarded and nobody bothered" tanks/tub. laugh.gif
i also know the 6 fishes i own cost less than 1 showgrade i used to own. wink.gif
i advocate " why pay more." if i am not into competition. laugh.gif

price is sensitive as what u said, but there are always new and keen members who like to know or as part of "benchmarking". the choice is up to the owner to disclose or not. pressure should not be on owner to disclose and there is certainly no obligation to do so. what others perceive u is another matter. i am sure if they hang around here long enough they will know that Judgement of one's character is not based on whether he disclosed the price,shop name or not.
CP
Ah Tan,

Thank you for your input.What I am trying to put across is that if you want to enquire on the price of the fish, PM the owner instead of asking in the open.

Owner who dont mind letting people know the cost would usually have declared it in the first place, like you. Heh heh heh.
goldrush
No wonder my pm swarm with enquiries over my purchase..........location and price

So Ah lau you are cause of my headache

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CP
Ai yah, never mind lah, share share mah.

Otherwise next time post the price of the fish lor. rolleyes.gif
white horse T1
QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Fri, 03 Jun 2005 9:39 am)
What I am trying to put across is that if you want to enquire on the price of the fish, PM the owner instead of asking in the open.
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i know but
curiosity always kill the cat. somethimes finger is faster than the brain nowadays. etiquette is NOT easily cultivated.

so when someone do pop up again and ask, we can do the following with no qualms.

a. NOT reply. (if u don't mind projecting and implying u are rude)

b. Tell him off like "Buzz off , it is up to me to know and u to find out. "

c. one can says a range and place if need be to wearn off the persistence. or pplp who buy in the place pays abt $XXX for this piece.

hey it is a public forum everybody and anybody is entitled to their views and what they think and choose to think as long as we agree to respect the disagreement that may arise.
white horse T1
QUOTE(ranchu8 @ Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:05 pm)
just trying to give an example of a difficult question to answer la  tongue.gif (feeling mischievous)
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should be the likley shop u normally buy tongue.gif (feeling mischievous)
ranchu8
QUOTE(white horse T1 @ Fri, 03 Jun 2005 11:17 am)
should be the likley shop u normally buy  tongue.gif (feeling mischievous)
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but i buy cheap type woh good.gif
CP
QUOTE(ranchu8 @ Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:05 pm)
just trying to give an example of a difficult question to answer la  tongue.gif (feeling mischievous)
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How much you earn a month har?
goldrush
QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Fri, 03 Jun 2005 2:13 pm)
How much you earn a month har?
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Enough for me to keep and buy goldfish

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ranchu8
QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Fri, 03 Jun 2005 2:13 pm)
How much you earn a month har?
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wah, giving the difficult one ah unsure.gif don't embalass people la, you earn much more good_very.gif
CyberET
QUOTE(goldrush @ Fri, 03 Jun 2005 4:36 pm)
Enough for me to keep and buy goldfish

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wah, your fish in avatar?
CP
QUOTE(goldrush @ Fri, 03 Jun 2005 4:36 pm)
Enough for me to keep and buy goldfish

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And kois,many kois, complete with state of the art pond and filtration, and more goldfish,more goldfish,more goldfish,more koi,more koi,more koi..........
felinefrend
QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Thu, 02 Jun 2005 9:59 pm)
This is not a discussion neither is it rubbish talk but just my point of view with regards to etiquette.Neither is this post directed at anyone.

Many a times we have a situation whereby a forumer posts his fish for one reason or another only for someone to ask - "How much did you pay for it?"

Things are always sensitive when in comes to money.I am sure that you don't say hello to someone you've just met and then ask "so how much do you earn a month", right? Unless you grew up in Timbuktu, of course.
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I buy 30 cents fish - I am a super duper cheapo LOL!.

With all honesty, this is a forum, where FAQ, questions and such are being asked and answered. Everyone has a right to ask "How much?". The Fish owner has a right NOT to answer. He is not obligated to tell you - Full stop. I do not see any problem with that.

It's just like personal opinion, some folks agree and some don't - but all have rights to their own view - there's no right or wrong answer. All are adults, so we can agree to disagree. biggrin.gif

Moreover, forums are forums, most with no face to the nick (I'm aware some do hang out together), so why take things so personally, if he don't answer or don't tell, so big deal? It's his right not to tell you and it is his choice - just like it is your choice to ask the question. It's his money to burn... cheapo no cheapo - why judge people like that? Never judge the book by its cover.

But being me, if I have questions I will just ask - there is a 50% chance he will answer, cos if I don't ask... it is 100% no answer biggrin.gif

my 2 cents...
ranchu8
QUOTE(felinefrend @ Fri, 10 Jun 2005 5:55 pm)
I buy 30 cents fish - I am a super duper cheapo LOL!.

With all honesty, this is a forum, where FAQ, questions and such are being asked and answered. Everyone has a right to ask "How much?". The Fish owner has a right NOT to answer. He is not obligated to tell you - Full stop.  I do not see any problem with that.

It's just like personal opinion, some folks agree and some don't - but all have rights to their own view - there's no right or wrong answer. All are adults, so we can agree to disagree. biggrin.gif

Moreover, forums are forums, most with no face to the nick (I'm aware some do hang out together), so why take things so personally, if he don't answer or don't tell, so big deal? It's his right not to tell you and it is his choice - just like it is your choice to ask the question. It's his money to burn... cheapo no cheapo - why judge people like that? Never judge the book by its cover.

But being me, if I have questions I will just ask - there is a 50% chance he will answer, cos if I don't ask... it is 100% no answer biggrin.gif

my 2 cents...
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since this is a chit chat & gossip area, i gather you are a very open individual from the above post, i'm not very old in this forum: may i ask whether you are a gentleman or lady? just curious as your nick is felinefriend and from the writing style smile.gif pls don't take any offence to this question, merely out of curiosity and if any offence is taken, i withdraw my question if it's ok smile.gif i hope i don't offend anyone with this question blush.gif
CyberET
QUOTE(ranchu8 @ Fri, 10 Jun 2005 8:31 pm)
since this is a chit chat & gossip area, i gather you are a very open individual from the above post, i'm not very old in this forum: may i ask whether you are a gentleman or lady? just curious as your nick is felinefriend and from the writing style smile.gif pls don't take any offence to this question, merely out of curiosity and if any offence is taken, i withdraw my question if it's ok  smile.gif i hope i don't offend anyone with this question  blush.gif
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The Matrix
ranchu8, u ever see batwoman movie with a catman before ?

hahahahahaha .... meow
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u carrr me a man, i punch u okay.
goldrush
BADMAN BEGINS.............................


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felinefrend
QUOTE(ranchu8 @ Fri, 10 Jun 2005 8:31 pm)
since this is a chit chat & gossip area, i gather you are a very open individual from the above post, i'm not very old in this forum: may i ask whether you are a gentleman or lady? just curious as your nick is felinefriend and from the writing style smile.gif pls don't take any offence to this question, merely out of curiosity and if any offence is taken, i withdraw my question if it's ok  smile.gif i hope i don't offend anyone with this question  blush.gif
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I am female and yes, I am open-minded individual, mainly been active in US-based forums. I had seen the forum wars but here on this forum, the folks are very matured and much thought are usually done before penning any "serious" message (as in cpiw's message). Then there are some msgs that are plain bo-liow tongue.gif
I am aware the folks here are serious goldfish breeder/collector/keeper with alot of good and best practises for goldfish keeping and tips. So some of these sensitive questions are deem sensitive, so, if one is prepared to ask the question, he must be prepared that the other party can don't answer ;)
felinefrend
QUOTE(CyberET @ Fri, 10 Jun 2005 9:48 pm)
gentleman whistle.gif
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no lah - char bor lah - who keeps two 30 cent goldfish and two $2.50 goldfish
felinefrend
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:34 pm)
ranchu8, u ever see batwoman movie with a catman before ?

hahahahahaha .... meow
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u carrr me a man, i punch u okay.
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i never see b4 batwomen.. got meh? batgirl got lah.. batwomen... thinking.gif
ranchu8
QUOTE(felinefrend @ Sat, 11 Jun 2005 4:16 pm)
I am female and yes, I am open-minded individual, mainly been active in US-based forums. I had seen the forum wars but here on this forum, the folks are very matured and much thought are usually done before penning any "serious" message (as in cpiw's message). Then there are some msgs that are plain bo-liow tongue.gif
I am aware the folks here are serious goldfish breeder/collector/keeper with alot of good and best practises for goldfish keeping and tips. So some of these sensitive questions are deem sensitive, so, if one is prepared to ask the question, he must be prepared that the other party can don't answer ;)
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thanks ... how are the US based forums pls? have you come across any that deals a lot with top view ranchu?

ps btw do you know why it seems like many more men are into rearing goldfish, or fish for the matter?

pps also, you do have a point about raising questions in a forum, am not too sure whether price should be asked by way of pm or open post ... hmmm
CP
QUOTE(felinefrend @ Sat, 11 Jun 2005 4:16 pm)
...........folks are very matured and much thought are usually done before penning any "serious" message (as in cpiw's message)..................
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.......yes,usually before I pen anything I will retreat high up into the mountains,seek solace,meditate and then draw inspirations from the view and the fresh air amid the tranquility, draft it to perfection before returning and typing into the computer.... rofl2.gif
felinefrend
QUOTE(cpiw2002 @ Sat, 11 Jun 2005 4:27 pm)
.......yes,usually before I pen anything I will retreat high up into the mountains,seek solace,meditate and then draw inspirations from the view and the fresh air amid the tranquility, draft it to perfection before returning and typing into the computer.... rofl2.gif
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probably for 7 7 49 days (translated from chinese) and then run spell check ;P
felinefrend
QUOTE(ranchu8 @ Sat, 11 Jun 2005 4:24 pm)
thanks ... how are the US based forums pls? have you come across any that deals a lot with top view ranchu?

ps btw do you know why it seems like many more men are into rearing goldfish, or fish for the matter?

pps also, you do have a point about raising questions in a forum, am not too sure whether price should be asked by way of pm or open post ... hmmm
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Sorry, don't mean to mis-lead you, US-NON-fish forums LOL!

Ok- trying to answer u based on my opinion.

I think in general girls like attention and give attention. Fishes are not pets that does that - Dogs and Cats do fit into that category. Locally it is just this way, but overseas it is not necessary so, the american ladies do have fishes and various other pets - like me - hahahaa an animal farm!

In general, men spend more on high ticket price toys and woment spend more on low ticket price toys. Women spend more but on cheaper stuff (ie: $XXX (max))- makeup, earrings, clothing, etc. Men spend little but on high end stuff(ie:$XXXX-XXXXX-XXXXXX) - car, sound system, car sound system, bigger larger TV, robotic vaccum cleaner, etc.


It's just that they wants the bigger, the larger, the wider, the state-of-the-art toy. I usually one want that fits wat I need.
ranchu8
thanks FelineFriend for sharing your interesting points, hmmm ... just that many guys keep fish that are inexpensive?
The Matrix
QUOTE(felinefrend @ Sat, 11 Jun 2005 4:54 pm)
In general, men spend more on high ticket price toys and woment spend more on low ticket price toys. Women spend more but on cheaper stuff (ie: $XXX (max))- makeup, earrings, clothing, etc. Men spend little but on high end stuff(ie:$XXXX-XXXXX-XXXXXX) - car, sound system, car sound system, bigger larger TV, robotic vaccum cleaner, etc.
It's just that they wants the bigger, the larger, the wider, the state-of-the-art toy. I usually one want that fits wat I need.
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Men buy super audiophile system, speakers, super tokong silver cables, gold connectors .... women - MP3 player which comes with ear pieces. hahahahaha
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