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Ranchu Lover
Just want to find out or get views from fellow hobbyist. How big or long must a ranchu be, before it is considered as a giant ranchu?
goldrush
Never heard of a giant ranchu.Where did you get that connotation.
As for koi we are often mesmerised by the term jumbo koi but again that is rather relative than absolute as many sellers coined it to enhance the value of their fish especially where their parent fish are concerned.There is no numerical yardstick to attain to be branded as "giant" or jumbo but just another adjective to express its majestic physique(size,girth and length)I suppose.
Ranchu Lover
QUOTE(goldrush @ Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:26 pm)
Never heard of a giant ranchu.Where did you get that connotation.
As for koi we are often mesmerised by the term jumbo koi but again that is rather relative than absolute as many sellers coined it to enhance the value of their fish especially where their  parent fish are concerned.There is no numerical yardstick to attain to be branded as "giant" or jumbo but just another adjective to express its majestic physique(size,girth and length)I suppose.
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Call it Giant, awsome or Jumbo. The term is not important. Just want views as to what is the defination/views for the use of these terms to describe such ranchus.

Would a 6 inches ranchu be considered as such?
What about an 8 inches ranchu?
The Matrix
hahahahahahaha ... since u answer in another place that way, this is also my answer wor ... "For me to know and for you to find out"
Ranchu Lover
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Fri, 02 Dec 2005 11:08 pm)
hahahahahahaha ... since u answer in another place that way, this is also my answer wor ... "For me to know and for you to find out"
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No need to find out when the defination is not established.
yamato38gunkei
There is no such thing as a "Giant" Ranchu !

An Oya Ranchu should always be big and strong ; but more importantly beautiful and balanced. A good Oya Ranchu easily becomes 24 cm-26 cm and more.

Regards,

Geert Coppens
Ranchu Lover
QUOTE(yamato38gunkei @ Sat, 03 Dec 2005 1:27 am)
There is no such thing as a "Giant" Ranchu ! 

An Oya Ranchu should always be big and strong ; but more importantly beautiful and balanced.  A good Oya Ranchu easily becomes 24 cm-26 cm and more.

Regards,

Geert Coppens
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I have seen terms like "Giant"; "Jumbo"; "Awsome"; and "Huge" being used to describe ranchus that cannot be hold with one hand.

Based on your statement, all Oya ranchus should reach this length if they are properly cared for. In terms of months, how long will a ranchu takes to reach the length of 24 cm long?

What is the longest ranchu that you have ever seen?
desireless
There is so far no standard for a "jumbo" size ranchu.

But based on the general raising method locally (mostly indoor), it awes me to see ranchus of more than 7-8 inches in length from head tip to tail tip. 6 inches long is too commonly seen.

PS: But I will not be so impressed if the ranchu is already of this size when it reahes Singapore.
gohks
QUOTE(Ranchu Lover @ Fri, 02 Dec 2005 10:03 pm)
Just want to find out or get views from fellow hobbyist. How big or long must a ranchu be, before it is considered as a giant ranchu?
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If goes by competititon std, line drawn is usually > 16cm (head to tail-tip) to be considered big category. But people normally submit entries > 20cm, the bigger the more majestic and winning chances is higher.

I have seen Oranda up to size of 24cm (head to tail-tip, consider the tail length of Oranda longer then Ranchu). I think the record holder "Bruce" is 30cm, if I remember correctly.

For a Ranchu to have a size of > 20cm, I would consider that "huge", "giant", "jumbo", depend how you name it. Imagine the body mass, girth, it has. ohmy.gif

I also noticed some people weigh their Ranchu and consider > 1kg as a std if being called a giant!
Ranchu Lover
QUOTE(gohks @ Sat, 03 Dec 2005 2:23 pm)
I also noticed some people weigh their Ranchu and consider > 1kg as a std if being called a giant!
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Like this, how to weigh a ranchu?????????
gohks
QUOTE(Ranchu Lover @ Sat, 03 Dec 2005 3:35 pm)
Like this, how to weigh a ranchu?????????
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Think like what's being done in fish market. ;)
CP
QUOTE(Ranchu Lover @ Sat, 03 Dec 2005 3:35 pm)
Like this, how to weigh a ranchu?????????
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You can use Archimedes Principle.(The ancient Greek who discovered this during his bath in the bathtub, then ran around the streets naked shouting "EUREKA").

Basically it says that the mass loss for a body in water is equivalent to the mass of the volume of water that it displaces.

You should be able to figure out how to do it.
desireless
hahaha...
I can imagine you put the fish on the weighing scale, it goes flip flap flip flap before coming to a stop and you take the reading. Then when you put it back into the tank, it stays motionless (dead death.gif ). hysterical.gif

Wah.. I almost forget the "Eureka!" scientific find. No need so troublesome to find the weight. Just prepare a container with water (that can fit the fish in). Take the initial reading. Then add the fish into the container. The fish will not struggle this way. Take the final reading minus the initial reading lor. tada.gif
Ranchu Lover
QUOTE(CP @ Sat, 03 Dec 2005 8:11 pm)
You can use Archimedes Principle.(The ancient Greek who discovered this during his bath in the bathtub, then ran around the streets naked shouting "EUREKA").

Basically it says that the mass loss for a body in water is equivalent to the mass of the volume of water that it displaces.

You should be able to figure out how to do it.
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Fish constantly in motion, how to collect its displacement of water from a struggling ranchu? Margin for error may be too great.

Even if I can measure its weight, the question is the defination of "Giant ranchu".
The Matrix
QUOTE(Ranchu Lover @ Sat, 03 Dec 2005 8:24 pm)
Fish constantly in motion, how to collect its displacement of water from a struggling ranchu? Margin for error may be too great.

Even if I can measure its weight, the question is the defination of "Giant ranchu".
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there the term so important to you ?

Giant ? so far the largest ryukin is the one saw at Aquarama 2005, biggest ranchu i saw was a 10" ... oranda dun need to mention ... >45cm ... anymore u want to define ? Ask Tung Hoi please.
yamato38gunkei
QUOTE(Ranchu Lover @ Sat, 03 Dec 2005 1:15 am)
I have seen terms like "Giant"; "Jumbo"; "Awsome"; and "Huge" being used to describe ranchus that cannot be hold with one hand.

Based on your statement, all Oya ranchus should reach this length if they are properly cared for. In terms of months, how long will a ranchu takes to reach the length of 24 cm long?

What is the longest ranchu that you have ever seen?
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There are young Oya - around 30-36 months - that are very big already cfr AJRS 2004 East Ozeki Oya. It is difficult to say how big was the biggest Ranchu I saw. It is not always possible to measure a Ranchu.

Regards,

Geert Coppens
Ranchu Lover
In the Jakarta Goldfish Show 2005, there is a classification using the term JUMBO class. eg Jumbo Oranda; Jumbo Ranchu etc......Pleasse refer to this link: http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.ph...opic=3162&st=15 post 24.

Back to my question (irritating to some)? What is a GIANT/JUMBO ranchu?
The Matrix
in a competition, to create excitment and also sometime fair competitive structure, the organiser might split the class to multiple level. If really going by the AJRS standard, will u get a chance to participate in the Junior class ? No right or u wanna challenge that ?

Depending on the country standard and how well the organiser know about their fellow countrymen, they will know how fair it should be.

Just imagine if VRC coming show will have a few so-called Jumbo fish (> 9") competing with those slightly above 5" fish, how would you judge ? Remember size is a judging factor. It won't take too long to know the follow year, noone will send in small fish. And VRC might need to really re-think the classification.

So will VRC also decide on doing the breeder class which Indonesia also have ?
Ranchu Lover
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Sun, 11 Dec 2005 1:00 pm)
Just imagine if VRC coming show will have a few so-called Jumbo fish (> 9") competing with those slightly above 5" fish, how would you judge ?
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You just answer the question.
The Matrix
QUOTE(Ranchu Lover @ Sun, 11 Dec 2005 2:50 pm)
You just answer the question.
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hahahahaha > 9" is really big fish. I believe u seen before and also holding to some. Calling it jumbo is comparing to wat I have seen before .... If u ask other, 6" can even call jumbo. Try send these fish for some foreign countries for competition and they will ask u - r u sure these are goldfish or some mutation lokang fish. there is no definition to it, it's how a show characterising the size, get recognising a fish parameters and readjusting their internal definition. so wanna know what's giant size in my own eyes ?

sheesshhh .. can't believe this kind of question and die die still must get an answer. go ask the indonesia goldfish club. ask them how they define.... junior, senior and jumbo. do any of this characterisation of fish size make any sense in local context ? VRC maybe can answer that.

cp, edited har ... biggrin.gif I hate answering irritating question. think my coffee not brew with rain water.
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