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KokiBali
Just bought this ranchu last Saturday. About 7 cm length. Tail and back curve are not so good, but this type is still rare. For your viewing pleasure and comment.

Regards,
William

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The Matrix
so u visited the show ... nice fish there right ?
desireless
A rarity you have there good.gif

From what I know, this is a specialty only bred in Indonesia now
KokiBali
Not sure about that. We usually feed them with frozen bloodworm and color enhancer pellet. Any bros here can advise me what pellet is good for my black ranchu? I heard that pellet with spirulina or color enhancer is not good for black ranchu. Thanks...
The Matrix
QUOTE(desireless @ Mon, 05 Dec 2005 2:05 pm)
A rarity you have thereĀ  good.gif

From what I know, this is a specialty only bred in Indonesia now
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Tung Hoi ! 1st appear few years ago.
desireless
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Mon, 05 Dec 2005 3:52 pm)
Tung Hoi ! 1st appear few years ago.
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Tunghoi of course every known species are sucessfully started by them.

I say it is a "specialty" to Indonesia. It does not mean the indonesian started this species. But until now ony Indonesia is known to maintain breeding this species.
gohks
QUOTE(KokiBali @ Mon, 05 Dec 2005 3:23 pm)
Not sure about that. We usually feed them with frozen bloodworm and color enhancer pellet. Any bros here can advise me what pellet is good for my black ranchu? I heard that pellet with spirulina or color enhancer is not good for black ranchu. Thanks...
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KokiBali,
goldfish coloration is the most headache problem people have. They will change as they grows and sometime without reasons. Maintaining their pigmentation I would say is not an easy task.
The Black Ranchu you bought have good coloration except some slight fading on the belly (indeed it is the most difficult to maintain the blackness at that area and fading will usually started from bottom up). If I am not wrong, it was kept in green water before.
There are several factors that affect the goldfish coloration from my past self-reserach and experiences:-
a) Genetic (there is nothing much you can do about it). E.g. you can't turn a China black as dark as a Thai black. Also, you don't get what you expect when a fish grows, temporarily coloration e.g. unstable black, brown..., will go away with time (and may even come back!!).
b) Health of the goldfish, you will notice the more healthy the fish is, the more vibrant the coloration and vice versa.
c) Food. For your case, I think is best not to feed any colour enhancement product. Go for forzen or freeze dry products or colour maintenance food.
d)Last but not least, environment factors espeicially lighting is important. I believed not too strong and controlled lighting is needed. green water is always the best, espeically it shield the light. I also noticed goldfish kept in opaque plastic (blue is the best) or cement tank also help to maintain and promote the coloration. That's why some people have the inhouse glass tank background pasted "blue" or "black". Nowadays, fished are kept domestically in a cleared water tank without much lighting control and I think that is bad for goldfish coloration.

Hope this gives you some ideas. peace.gif
desireless
Hi goh,

There is still no concrete evidence that goldfish changes colour with their environment. So the blue or black surrounding is simply a matter of choice.
d_golem
I wonder if I can smuggle one of those black pearlscale ranchu into aussie biggrin.gif
CP
QUOTE(d_golem @ Mon, 05 Dec 2005 5:26 pm)
I wonder if I can smuggle one of those black pearlscale ranchu into aussie biggrin.gif
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Many years back when I went to Perth,the customs confiscated my biscuits during arrival. sad.gif
The Matrix
QUOTE(desireless @ Mon, 05 Dec 2005 4:54 pm)
Tunghoi of course every known species are sucessfully started by them.

I say it is a "specialty" to Indonesia. It does not mean the indonesian started this species. But until now ony Indonesia is known to maintain breeding this species.
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sigh .... Ru Guo xian.
desireless
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Mon, 05 Dec 2005 5:45 pm)
sigh .... Ru Guo xian.
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What's that? Someone pls explain.
d_golem
QUOTE(CP @ Mon, 05 Dec 2005 5:37 pm)
Many years back when I went to Perth,the customs confiscated my biscuits during arrival. sad.gif
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That's why.... unsure.gif

Will a baby goldfish survive if I put him in a thermos bottle or sumtin & periodically open it up for air? rusure.gif
KokiBali
Thanks, Gohks.

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d)Last but not least, environment factors espeicially lighting is important. I believed not too strong and controlled lighting is needed. green water is always the best, espeically it shield the light. I also noticed goldfish kept in opaque plastic (blue is the best) or cement tank also help to maintain and promote the coloration. That's why some people have the inhouse glass tank background pasted "blue" or "black". Nowadays, fished are kept domestically in a cleared water tank without much lighting control and I think that is bad for goldfish coloration.


Interesting issue. The LFS/farmer advise me to "sun-bathing" the fish for 15 minutes every morning, to keep the black color. I also heard that sun light is good for the coloration. Is it also good for black ranchu?
gohks
QUOTE(KokiBali @ Mon, 05 Dec 2005 6:08 pm)
Thanks, Gohks.
Interesting issue. The LFS/farmer advise me to "sun-bathing" the fish for 15 minutes every morning, to keep the black color. I also heard that sun light is good for the coloration. Is it also good for black ranchu?
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Maybe in a controlled manner. But I would think genetic is till the ultimum factor. That's why there can only be a few show grade "AAA" black Ranchu. yes.gif
KokiBali
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Maybe in a controlled manner. But I would think genetic is till the ultimum factor. That's why there can only be a few show grade "AAA" black Ranchu.


Agree.
gohks
KokiBali,
Also, try not using any activated carbon and zeolite. I heard they are bad for goldfish and coloration. Mechanical and biological filtration is still the best. Too much salt can also be bad. Add minimum if you really need. yes.gif
KokiBali
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Also, try not using any activated carbon and zeolite. I heard they are bad for goldfish and coloration. Mechanical and biological filtration is still the best. Too much salt can also be bad. Add minimum if you really need.


Oh, really? I intended to use activated carbon in my filter. Thanks for your advise.
The Matrix
just managed to make some respondents and i think i made a mistake.

This batch of black pearl ranchu is indeed an Indonesia line. Thousand apologies.
KokiBali
cry.gif So sad, my blackie died last night. I don't know exactly what caused it, it looked like white spot and loss appetite. Medication has been given since last week, but the fish condition was getting worse and worse. It didn't swim and eat, just laid still at the bottom of the tank. I saw a thin green poo when it died. death.gif
desireless
Ahh... that's the problem.

Condolence on hearing this bad news. You can do a search the Ailment forum and see if you find any similar symptoms.
d_golem
Oh no kokibali that's so sad..... sad.gif u just got it for a few days only.......
gohks
QUOTE(KokiBali @ Wed, 14 Dec 2005 4:40 pm)
cry.gif So sad, my blackie died last night. I don't know exactly what caused it, it looked like white spot and loss appetite. Medication has been given since last week, but the fish condition was getting worse and worse. It didn't swim and eat, just laid still at the bottom of the tank. I saw a thin green poo when it died.  death.gif
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KokiBali,
Sad to hear the demise of your favourite blackie sad.gif I have the same experience like you before, new fish just perish within the transistion critical period, and without a good reason. Found a few reasons:-
1) Problem from the source (most likely). Fish already not doing well and with this change in conditions would aggrevate and cause the death.
2) Something very wrong with your setup, check your water parameters.
3) Something not right about the feeds. From what you describe, seems there is a constipation.

Moderator,
Is there a previous discussion threads on "How to select a Healthy goldfish". If not, let's start one.

Goh
desireless
No challenge on selection of health fish. biggrin.gif

The challenge is on how to keep healthy fish through QT period and keeping it healthy for the rest of its time! No matter how healthy the fish may look, there are tonnes of disease awaiting outbreak.

A discussion on how to QT healthy fish can be found here.
http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1692
goldrush
Dear Goh

I have written something on buying new fish in this thread sometime back


http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1971
gohks
QUOTE(goldrush @ Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:04 pm)
Dear Goh

I have written something on buying new fish in this thread sometime back
http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1971
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Oops, see this after I write something....sorry, no offence of copy right blush.gif
KokiBali
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Condolence on hearing this bad news. You can do a search the Ailment forum and see if you find any similar symptoms.


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Sad to hear the demise of your favourite blackie  I have the same experience like you before, new fish just perish within the transistion critical period, and without a good reason. Found a few reasons:-
1) Problem from the source (most likely). Fish already not doing well and with this change in conditions would aggrevate and cause the death.
2) Something very wrong with your setup, check your water parameters.
3) Something not right about the feeds. From what you describe, seems there is a constipation.


Thanks, Bros.

The fish looked alright for the first 2 days, then it started to rub its body to the tank. I saw some tiny white spots on tail, so I gave it anti white spot medicine. The white spots disappeared, but 1-2 days later it came again and the fish did not eat until it died.

Can frozen bloodworm cause constipation? My brother said that maybe the fish was stressed of being lonely in tank. Is it true?
gohks
QUOTE(KokiBali @ Wed, 21 Dec 2005 1:59 pm)
Thanks, Bros.

The fish looked alright for the first 2 days, then it started to rub its body to the tank. I saw some tiny white spots on tail, so I gave it anti white spot medicine. The white spots disappeared, but 1-2 days later it came again and the fish did not eat until it died.

Can frozen bloodworm cause constipation? My brother said that maybe the fish was stressed of being lonely in tank. Is it true?
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Ya, maybe you seperated it from its lover, heartbreak and end its life hysterical.gif goldfish only knows how to eat and shit, don't think they would feel lonely. tongue.gif

Fish should be less stress when kept alone, this is the optimum and best way of grooming. You have the right way and I don't think that's the problem.

Looks like there could be some internal problem with your goldfish (e.g. gill flukes/parasits, internal parasites, breakdown of organs...) that results in breakdown in immunity (results of white spots, but don't think that kill your fish). Actual cause of death will need a post mortem. sad.gif
KokiBali
Hahahaha........

Yah, I think there was internal problem. Haven't got any replacement yet. No time for hunting...... sigh.... It is a pity I lost my blackie.....

Btw, would like to say Merry Christmas to you and all Bros here. God bless you all.
gohks
QUOTE(KokiBali @ Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:32 am)
Hahahaha........

Yah, I think there was internal problem. Haven't got any replacement yet. No time for hunting...... sigh.... It is a pity I lost my blackie.....

Btw, would like to say Merry Christmas to you and all Bros here. God bless you all.
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Wish you better luck for your future endevour on goldfish keeping.

Hope that you select a healthy and better fish yes.gif
GoldfisHub
QUOTE(KokiBali @ Wed, 21 Dec 2005 1:59 pm)
Thanks, Bros.

The fish looked alright for the first 2 days, then it started to rub its body to the tank. I saw some tiny white spots on tail, so I gave it anti white spot medicine. The white spots disappeared, but 1-2 days later it came again and the fish did not eat until it died.

Can frozen bloodworm cause constipation? My brother said that maybe the fish was stressed of being lonely in tank. Is it true?
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I observed that my goldfish when it's alone, always hide.But when added a buddy, she seems happier and come out from hiding place and swim around more often. I do think that it is better to keep goldfish in at least 3 pcs (my opinion).
seamonkey
Where did he come from? I am trying to breed these.
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