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adslman
----Posts moved from "Chit chat and gossip" as I find this thread rather informative on sources of goldfish in Australia------
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Topic split from Black Ranchu With Pom Poms

QUOTE(kencheng @ Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:12 am)
BUT i have seen some nice goldfish around, you just have to be REALLY patient hunting - and I mean 6 - 12 months!
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Hi KenCheng, I am in Melbourne too. Where do you normally go hunting here?
I normally go to a shop in St Kilda and Richmond.

Thanks.
kencheng
WAAAA how can tell you! You will go and compete with me and pick all the good ones. hmm.gif
Kidding tongue.gif I only keep ryukins so you can buy everthing else biggrin.gif
I only got 4 ryukins so far, all bought from New Life on Victoria Street (the one in the backshop run by chinese man). His quality quite inconsistent but mostly sells goldfish. St Kilda aquarium is not bad but I have not bought anything from them yet, normally only see AAA commercial grade there. Sounds like you already found where all the good goldfish shops are biggrin.gif Got any other secret location to share with me?
I have been asking the owner at StKilda to help me get some good ryukins but he is still 'hunting' sad.gif Has been almost 2 months already
If you see anywhere got good ryukins please PM me immediately!
kencheng
AIYAH! Almost forgot. I am trying to get a LFS in Brisbane to help me import some good quality ryukins from Thailand. The LFS is currently talking to the farm.
http://www.thairanchucentre.com
Their fish quality is very good as the singaporeans call it TOK KONG one!
PM me and I will send you the person's contact from Brisbane. See! got good things I share? Don't forget me next time see nice Ryukin in Melbourne. yes.gif
adslman
QUOTE(kencheng @ Thu, 27 Apr 2006 4:03 pm)
New Life on Victoria Street (the one in the backshop run by chinese man).
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Hi KenCheng,

That's the shop... The owner is a friendly man, however he always say the stock is new... blush.gif

No la... ;) I won't compete with you.
My wife has been breaking my chops ever since I last bought 2 fish from that shop.
I don't think I will get any in the near future.
I have 8 goldfish altogether. 2 LionHeads, 2 Orandas, 1 Black Moor, 1 Ryukin, 1 Black Ranchu and 1 Pearlscale. They are ordinary and is the 1st batch of goldfish I have since I started this hobby back in Jan 06.

I used to study in S'pore and some Hokkien here really make me laugh biggrin.gif biggrin.gif and brings back memory when my friends were teaching me the dialect...

No worries mate. If I spot good goldfishes, I will PM you.

Best of luck in hunting the ones you like good.gif
Kinder
Hi kencheng, you mentioned you taking help of some brisbane base lfs owner to import some ryukins...... which lfs is he from.

Coz recently i had a talk with the owner of "The Aquarium" shop he was telling me that he is the only LFS onwer who gets his fishes direct from the supplier/famr most of LFS get it thru some agent. He mentioned that he was on his way to China to a farm in 3months time after he does some extensive renovation to his shop. He showed me some snaps from the chinese farm and those fishes look awesome......mostly likely he said he would get some good quality fishes from there in about 3-4months time....


do keep posted on how your managing to import your ryukins...i would like to knw how the procedure works....if u dont mind.

Do anything to get good grade fishes here.....

Cheers,
Kinder
kencheng
I have asked someone that has a quarantine facility to organise for the imports. Basically it is like a trans-shipping facility where the fish gets imported, quarantined before being sent to me in Melbourne.
There is another group that imports their fishes directly from Tung Hoi - that is Slippery Little Suckers (SLS) in Sydney.
Who is this aquarium shop in Brisbane? Do you think they would sell me their fish interstate? Give me their contact please smile.gif
If you want to PM me and I will send you the contact of the person looking at the import.
Fishchick
Hey Ken!
Found you here following a google search for Utsuri Domo Ryukin. (still not sure what they are! tongue.gif )
Your fish are in - have taken a few quick pics (not my best work!!)
Pics are located here:http://www.users.on.net/~fishchick/Goldfish/
Got myself some AAA tosakins, cute little tykes!
Best regards, Jodi-Lea
Ranchu Lover
Looks like you guys can start a Goldfish Club down under.
kencheng
hehehe Australia Goldfish club update - going to get my ryukins on Thursday! YEAH! shiok.gif Thank you to jodi-lea (aka fishchick) of course beg2.gif
Fishchick - did you see the Utsuri Domo Ryukin pictures yet? Here are the links;

http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2248

It is basically a black & white ryukin, there are a few floating around the world market - apparently quite rare!

Anybody got lobang (aka insider information) where I can find good quality calico ryukins?
impellitteri
Hey i was pretty damn close to the owner of New life. Chinese guy who loves horse racing. Used to hangout with him alot. He gets his stock from Box Hill and Epping. Occasionally he might have some nice fishes but they're still of normal or low grade. Well, can't expect much. Pretty hard to come by quality goldies in melb. St Kilda is pretty expensive though and was told by a guy who worked there before that their goldies are mostly from Malaysia and Thailand and they claimed them to be from JAPAN
which is pretty ridiculous and China which they dont look like chinese specimens at all.
What you can do is look for this shop on warrigal road,oakleigh which specialises in Discus. You can ask the owner (Another Chinaman) to import goldies for you although he doesnt really sell them.cos he's a licensed importer and he's got ways to get nice fishes in. Or else, there's this shop on Whitehorse Rd,Box hill which used to stock reasonable goldies. Dunno bout now but it has been yrs since i've been there. Last time i was there..nuthin much-crappy ones. Well, i've basically been to almost all shops that were listen in the yellowpages when i was mad shiok.gif . Just a thought or two.


Cheers
kencheng
What you say is true - good goldfish hard to get in Melbourne - that's why I was desperate and got Jodi-Lea to import for me from Thai Ranchu Centre.

New Life
Depending on luck, need to practise your ability to pick potential. Sometimes he gets nice fishes but they tend to be mixed in with a large batch he buys in. But he always claim his stock to be 'new'. No system and hard to know when he is going to buy new fish.

St Kilda Aquarium
Some nice fishes there but EXPENSIVE! Also the person that 'hand picks' his goldfish needs training sad.gif
Some things he tell me I am not sure whether I should PaiSeh for him or for myself blush.gif he told me that male and female goldfish different shapes, so I should not expect to get male goldfish that could be as round and big as a female goldfish... hysterical.gif Maybe because he was trying to sell me this pair of black malaysian/thai ranchus but the female is very 'non' balanced.

BoxHill shop
Must have changed hands in the last few years because they have stopped stocking nice goldfishes. In fact, most of the goldfishes there are hanging on to dear life with a thin thread.

Oakleigh Discus shop
This guy has nice discuses but I neve thought of asking him to import goldfishes for me because he seems to specialise in Discus. Maybe I will ask him but last time I was in his shop (last month) no goldfish at all sad.gif

impellitteri - you still keep goldfish?
impellitteri
Yeah, just couldn't trust what they say in shops. Sometimes they're just full of shit. I worked in Upmarket for a short while and most of the guys there, they dunno shit man.

When i was back there, all my goldies were from new life. Had a 6ft back then and it took me more than a year to stock the tank with 9 fellas. Like to have an assortment but i'm quite a SV ranchu guy myself. If i'm not mistaken, there's this wholesale which they're called aqua industries or something like that. Apparently they supply to alot of shops meaning you'll see the same stock in most shops. You can go there yourself and have a look at their supplies and even handpick what you want. I've forgotten where's this place as it has been a long time but i can check for you. Also there's another place called GOfish where they do stock thai goldies but i think they've closed down due to low sales and high rent (toorak rd).

You can ask the oakleigh guy to import for you. He'll be happy to do it but you gotta bargain with this guy. Had to bargain till i ran out of saliva when i bought discus from him. Anyway, have stopped keeping goldies and have been keeping marine instead but i'm planning to do a goldfish setup again.
kencheng
WAH! exciting - got new source of goldfish - GoFish still around I must go and look see look see shiok.gif
Aquarium Industries / Aquatic Industries collapse already (Cantonese say chap lup) blush.gif I think bankrupt or something like that
Today went down to StKilda aquarium - same old fish - must be nobody buy sad.gif all the left over stock... They were selling AA Grade tosakin for AUD$280! rofl2.gif Don't mean to be nasty - but if you want to sell tosakin for so much money at least make sure the tosakin got no 'wen' hysterical.gif
d_golem
I found that some Perth LFS now stocks TVR from "over east". Maybe from one of the eastern LFS' mentioned in this thread? tongue.gif

Btw, Fishchick aka Jodi-Lea, aren't u importers of bettas also??
kencheng
When to GoFish today - found their address in yellowpages. They have CLOSED DOWN! cry.gif
Erren
fishchick aka jodi lea matheson is the transhipper for betta as well. I import few giant betta via jodi recently. Wow, Jodi appear in almost all forum beg2.gif .

I'm from Melbourne as well. The best LFS in Melbourne definitely is new life and st.kilda one for goldfish.
kencheng
goldfish report! Chadstone aquarium (Victoria Melbourne) got a room dedicated to goldfish - not bad looking fishes available!
Keysborough Aquarium (Victoria Melbourne) got nice goldfish too! Good >AA black telescope butterfly tails in stock now (22/07/2006) smile.gif) and cheap...

goldfish report! Chadstone aquarium (Victoria Melbourne) got a room dedicated to goldfish - not bad looking fishes available!
Keysborough Aquarium (Victoria Melbourne) got nice goldfish too! Good >AA black telescope butterfly tails in stock now (22/07/2006) smile.gif) & cheap (but not green)
Kinder
A Very GOOD MORNING to all RG members!

Ii otenki des ne? <- Its fine weather, isn't it?
Hai, soo des. <- Yes, it is. (I'm learning japanese, so tought i might practice it here & maybe other memebers could learn few Jap words... smile.gif) )

Brisbane Goldfish Report; Just like the weather very Dry, mostly due to the lack of interest from Non-asian & asian communities (thats why we get mostly poor quality fishes).

Anyway to finish on a higher nooto (note in Jap) check out the PetCity store. They have got some decent Short-Tailed Ryukins 1-2inch for just under $10. I wasted 40mins selecting one but was told in the end they are under quarantine...so have to wait for few more days. They also got one good peice of DragonEye and usually stock decent panada Dragoneye. But the rest like ranchu/lionhead/orandas are usally bad n pricy.

Anyway Brisbanites reading this do POST if you have seen anything good going around. cheers.


Ken have a quick question for you, my bro is in melb....just wanted to know if he can bring goldfishes from local stores there and how much would that cost....considering u have some experience with Jodi posting ur ryukins from here. cheers
kencheng
I think the freighting was about $300 for a styrofoam box (basically the cost of a one way flight). It was freighted with AirFreight Australia and was labelled as live animals / perishable goods.

But if your friend is flying down at the same time, I think can come as check-in lugguage (as if bring a dog etc)

How come you ask? Got lobang? ;)
Kinder
QUOTE(kencheng @ Sun, 23 Jul 2006 4:48 pm) *


How come you ask? Got lobang? ;)


Hi Ken, thanks for your reply...my bro is flying back to bris frm mlb in a weeks time, so i will trying to find if he can bring it as check-in lugguage.

And i dont understand "Got Lobang?"
Erren
Try Fastway. Its cheaper. I normally ship giant betta from Melbourne to my customers in Adelaide, Brisbane, Goldcoast and Sydney. cost $8.75. Arrive safely without any problem so far. I use styrofoam esky, heat pack (depend on what type of fish).

I could help anyone ship any reasonable size of fish for $8.75 from Melbourne to Brisbane, Sydney, Adelaide and Goldcoast. Each label could only carry up to 5kg of load and maximum size of styrofoam box is brocoli box.

No insurance available for fish or perishable but cold blooded fish is much easier to transport right now as its winter down in Melbourne right now.

I do not offer packaging services but i could help via PM msgs. You can get all type of styrofoam boxes in LFS, fish market, asian grocerries etc.

You can buy heat pack very cheap from Jodi as well if you need to transport tropical fishes like me

one way postage could roughly carry 4-5 bettas normally.

PS: Fastway will not sell only 1 label and would charge for 20+ label which cost $160+. I'm here to help myself finish off my labels and anyone that need it as well, Cheers smile.gif
kencheng
Got lobang literally means 'got hole'? meaning to ask whether you got something good (out of the ordinary / system) to share? good_very.gif
kencheng
Another goldfish report (I have been k-po around again)

Keysborough Aquarium (Victoria Melbourne) got new batch ot commercial A ryukins. Keenly priced for the quality.

Subscape Aquarium got some 1 inch black butterfly tails but much more expensive then Keysborough Aquarium (50% premium). Also 2 commercial 'grade A' calico ryukins and a few low quality Utsuri Domo Ryukins (Black and white but unfortunately got yellow blotches). I considered one of their calico ryukins however almost fainted when he told me the price ($120). longpia.gif
adslman
Hi KenCheng,

Went to New Life on Victoria St today.
Saw 2 gold Ryukins with red eyes. $110 each. unsure.gif
He said this is a new species from China and no one in Australia has them yet.
Have you seen or heard about this kind of Ryukin with red eyes?
Go and have a look if you're interested and if your wallet is fat. good_very.gif

Thanks for the info about Keysborough Aquarium. Will go and check them out this weekend.
Found this address on whitepages, is it right?
2/ 214 Cheltenham Rd Keysborough

Cheers,
ADSLman
sleepytime318
Yes that is the correct address adslman. The last time i was there, there were some good quality Ryukins. The fish are Malaysian imports from Ipoh.

Cheers

Johnny smile.gif
adslman
QUOTE(sleepytime318 @ Wed, 09 Aug 2006 1:03 pm) *

Yes that is the correct address adslman. The last time i was there, there were some good quality Ryukins. The fish are Malaysian imports from Ipoh.

Cheers

Johnny smile.gif


Hi Johnny,
Thanks for the confirmation. Cannot wait to get to this aquarium ... shiok.gif
Hopefully, they have decent fish at decent price this weekend.

Cheers,
ADSLman.
Kinder
Hi guys, how we all doing hi.gif

Looks like there is a sudden influx in Ryukins in Oz. As i mentioned before over here in brissy i found 1inch ryukins, only difference from here and there....you guys seem to get good quality fish. I bought some ryukins but they developed serious SBD once in my quaranteen tank (all dead now mad.gif ). Im not sure wat kind of ryukins they were, looked closer to being sakura type or even calico.

Can you guys tell me, the Gold Ryukins mentioned by adslman for $110 and one by Ken for $120. How big are these ryukins? Would be gr8 also if anyone could take pics of those ryukins.....and post it here. So we all can see the quality of those ryukins sold in melb or any other states and comment on them. I think by doing this we might collectively be able to asses how the Goldfish hobby scene is progressing. Maybe even members can post here pics of goldfishes Acquired in Australia.

Just a thought. Plz do think over it. thinking.gif

cheers
Kinder
sleepytime318
Ok, here are some pics of the 2 Ryukins i bought from Keysborough Aquarium. I've never bought this type of goldfish guys b4 so i just looked out for the common traits like nice humps, finnage and body structure. Pls feel free to comment on them so i can better myself next time in choosing ryukins.

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Sorry for the amateurish pics

Enjoy

Cheers

Johnny smile.gif
adslman
Thanks Johnny,
Your Ryukins look awesome.
I like the 1st one, very red...
I will take some pic if I get any this weekend.

Ta,
ADSLman
adslman
QUOTE(Kinder @ Wed, 09 Aug 2006 3:30 pm) *

Can you guys tell me, the Gold Ryukins mentioned by adslman for $110 and one by Ken for $120. How big are these ryukins?

Hi Kinder,
The Ryukins I saw were about the same size as Johnny's pics. I didn't take any pics at the shop.
I think they're about 12cm-15cm (body+tail). unsure.gif
ADSLman
Kinder
Wow good job Johnny....that was a quick post.

I think bro Ken is quite abit experienced as he keep ryukins. For me ryukins are of recent interest, i wouldn't be able to tell what kind of ryukins they are but can make an effort in commenting.

Both ryukins look similar in structure...could be from the same spawn.
I like their hump its quite dramatic....or raised....
Scales im not sure on that....hav someone opinion on that
But i dont like the tail....doent look healty coz its on erect....could be just stressed.
and i find the tail could have been a lil more longer.....personal liking.


Do tell us the size of the fish......and if u want prise to..... smile.gif)
Kinder
correction:
But i dont like the tail....doent look healthy coz its not erect....could be just stressed.
kencheng
hmmm, if you are going to comment on the ryukin best to put it on Goldfish academy... (so I will keep my mouth shut for now anyway). rusure.gif

The 'red eyed' ryukins are actually albino ryukins. Australia use to have albino moors (light gold body with red telescope eyes) - I think they called them siamese dolls.

I have seen albino ryukins on websites from China before however am not sure whether the lineage was back-breed from telescopes or forward breed from normal ryukins. A word of warning thought - siamese dolls were notorious for being a weak breed.

Personally, I would pay a good price for them but in this instance, confirmation to breed standard is low - the only uniqueness is that they are albino and seldom seen. Not of breeding stock interest for me unfortunately. I am also happy to release some babies when I get round to breeding my stuff from thai ranchu centre - but only to good homes! smile.gif)
Kinder
QUOTE(kencheng @ Thu, 10 Aug 2006 11:28 am) *

hmmm, if you are going to comment on the ryukin best to put it on Goldfish academy... (so I will keep my mouth shut for now anyway). rusure.gif



Ken dont take me in the wrong way.....what im trying to put across is that if we bros can share pics of our goldfishes bought in Australia. We might be able to comment on how the goldfish keeping scene is progressing here in Oz.
kencheng
Aiyah not taking it the wrong way at all - just better to comment on Goldfish Academy then here. That way we are pegged against the international standard blink.gif Just didn't want to start this whole thread in the wrong area of the forum about commenting on fishes that's all - put it where everyone else can see hi.gif

Anyways - back to goldfish - saw some AAA+ black ranchus at StKilda Aquarium today. Expensive - but good (from my amateur eye). good_very.gif
adslman
Hi KenCheng,

Went to Keysborough Aquarium yesterday. Saw a tank full of Ryukins, did not like any of them though.
I think they were $75 for large(~15cm) ones and $55 for the medium(~10cm) ones... Quite pricey. thinking.gif

The goldfish there are not very healthy leh... Saw a few bellies pointing upwards. :sad
1 was actually left in the filter area to die, maybe it's the departure lounge... mad.gif

Thanks for the tip about St. Kilda, will check it out today. Yes, they sell pricey fish. I bought a small black ranchu (~ 5 cm) from them last time for about $30. blush.gif

Cheers,
ADSLman
adslman
Hi all,

Bought a Ryukin from New Life in Richmond. $25, 8cm from head to tail.
There are still about 20 of these when I was there yesterday. Anyone interested, pls hurry up. good_very.gif

Cheers,
ADSLman


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kencheng
Going down to newlife now! shiok.gif
kencheng
nananana.gif Thank you to the tip-off, I can now report that New Life indeed does have a tank of Sakura Ryukins at $25. Unfortunately I did not buy any, don't have much space left and would rather keep it for top grade stuff if I find any (GOD FORBID!) smile.gif)
New Life also has a tank of pearscales, but they don't look as 'round' as the stuff you get from Ipoh & I have given up trying to get a straight answer from the owner. He's abit of a 'fast car' salesman. blink.gif
Considering I was sticky beaking around, I also went to Subscape and can confirm that none of the $120 Utsuri Domo Ryukins have been sold yet tongue.gif They also have a tank of Sakura ryukins at a 10% premium (although quality looks the same). yes.gif I think adslman got all the nices ones!
adslman
QUOTE(kencheng @ Mon, 21 Aug 2006 10:12 am) *

I think adslman got all the nices ones!

Hi kencheng,

I wish mate... tongue.gif
I only bought 1 Ryukin that I think has even colour and no black markings on the fins and tail.
Not a bad buy in my opinion.

There were too many in the tank. I was a bit dizzy after checking the others out. More patience and training I guess. blink.gif

You're right. I tried to keep the number of golfish down in my tank too.
I just gave 3 little ones that I had since Jan '06 to a friend yesterday.
Now I have 6 in a 200L tank. To some, this is still overcrowded, right?

ADSLman
Kinder
"Now I have 6 in a 200L tank. To some, this is still overcrowded, right?"

Yeah i think thats too crowded.....80L-100L / fish sounds good....and i have seen my oranda grow faster if more space & good water param are present.

Anyway do any of you guys have outdoor setups, considering that melb has much better climate than brissy. Its just that summer is not far off.....and i have outdoor setup (in my balcony) just concerned abt the temperature.....as this would be my 1st summer.
kencheng
I use to have outdoor setups (for breeding). The main thing you have to remember about outdoor setups is not just the temperature the water could potentially reach. You need to remember fluctuation is a large problem too. Because of that, you would find that the best advise you can get regarding outdoor setups is the VOLUME of water. The Bigger the Better! The next important thing is the DEPTH of the water. Both of these ensure slow and minimal fluctuations of temperature. Example the same 200L in a 4 foot deep pond or tub would change temperature less and slower. However 200L in a 1 foot deep (large surface area) will very quickly change temperature. In fact, a 4 foot deep pond is meant to be able to sustain water in it's liquid state (during winter) so only the top freezes over.
And if you want to get 'high tech' about the situation, there are lots of information about what goldfish farms do so that the ponds are easy to clean etc etc... But this is above and beyond keeping the fish happy... peace.gif
Kinder
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Though its not summer yet...but still on the way.....maybe i'll try to give some shade to the outdoor tub and try to reduce direct sunlight contact. Will keep you posted when summer comes......our else i have to move my fishes indoor and i dont have any indoor setup...... have to get one.
kencheng
I am very excited to report a influx of various quality & sizes of ryukins in both New Life Aquarium and SubScape Aquarium shiok.gif
Also happy to report good quality orandas spotted at both the above aquariums!
adslman
Thanks kencheng for the update.

Saw any LionHead? My favourite lionhead has a hole in the head for 2 weeks now. Looks like it is recovering and the hole might be getting smaller. Not sure. :sad

Fingers crossed.

I will keep a close eye on it.
kencheng
The best Ranchus I have seen are at StKilda Aquarium, blackies from Thailand bigwink.gif Have you checked them out?
Hope your lionhead's hole gets better :sad
adslman
QUOTE(kencheng @ Sat, 23 Sep 2006 4:04 pm) *

The best Ranchus I have seen are at StKilda Aquarium, blackies from Thailand bigwink.gif Have you checked them out?
Hope your lionhead's hole gets better :sad

Hi kencheng,
Yes, the St Kilda aquarium seems to have nice black ranchus, at a premium price though. rolleyes.gif
Haven't been there lately.
I think my lionhead is recovering from a blocked wen growth. unsure.gif
But the hole is definitely shrinking... good_very.gif

Will see if I can get a good pic of it.

Thanks for the concern,
ADSLman.
adslman
Hi kencheng,

Attached is the best photo I can take. The hole is between 2 wen and it's really hard to see.
I tried to use a cotton bud to swipe the wound gently, but nothing on the cotton.

I think I need a magnifying glass to check the wound properly. thinking.gif

From the outside, the hole does not seem to get bigger, but also seem to stay the same size. Not sure if it is burrowing deep in the wen though. :sad

I will probably put this pic in the other forum to see if anybody can help.


Cheers,
ADSLman

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desireless
Looks like "Hole in the Head", but I think doc will have a better answer.

The treatment can be found here:
http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.ph...ost&p=19499

I have also written a review on a medication that treats this disease:
http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3171
adslman
QUOTE(desireless @ Sat, 07 Oct 2006 5:35 pm) *

Looks like "Hole in the Head", but I think doc will have a better answer.

Thanks Desireless for the links,

Oh no... cry.gif
I was hoping that it is not the 'Hole in the Head'. Don't want to use medication unless I have to.

Earlier today, I put the fish in a salt dip of 0.6% salinity for 10 mins... Will increase salinty to about 1% tomorrow, then 2% the next day.

I better start checking my LFS to see if they have any medication that was mentioned in the links.
Just in case she doesn't recover.

Thanks again,
ADLSman
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