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CP
Though not an ardent football fan, somehow or rather The World Cup always excites me when it comes around once every four years.

Maybe its the passion of the world's most popular sport that invoked this feeling, but I believe the actual reason may be actually due to the excitement of BETTINGS............ biggrin.gif

OK.Let me start with the big question on which nation shall prevail this time round.I shall start with a simple statistic based on numbers in which I believe many of you have read about it somewhere before; but if you haven't; should be pretty interesting.It calls on the magical number 3964,which will predict Brazil to be triumpant at Germany 2006.Here's how it works:


Argentina triumped at the 1978 and 1986 World Cup.Add 1978 and 1986 and you get 3964.

Germany won in 1974 and 1990, add the years and you get 3964 too.

Brazil won in 1970 and 1994, again it is 3964.

At the last World Cup in 2002 the winners are Brazil, but then again they also won in 1962 which makes it 3964 again!!

And so, using the same formula, the winner for 2006 shall be the nation that triumped in 1958 (3964-2006 = 1958) ; which is none other than Brazil. tada.gif


So, money on Brazil, anyone? biggrin.gif
goldrush
3964


Ang jee liao........Throughout Worldcup until Brazil get knockout!!!!!!!

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CP
THE ODDS:

Brazil 3.25
England 7.50
Italy 9.00
Germany 9.00
Argentina 9.00
Spain 13.00
Holland 13.00
France 13.00
Portugal 21.00
Czech Republic 34.00
Sweden 41.00
Mexico 51.00
Ivory Coast 51.00
Ukraine 67.00
Croatia 67.00
Usa 81.00
Australia 81.00
Serbia & Montenegro 101.00
Poland 101.00
Switzerland 151.00
Korea Rep. 201.00
Paraguay 201.00
Japan 201.00
Ghana 251.00
Tunisia 401.00
Ecuador 401.00
Togo 501.00
Iran 501.00
Costa Rica 501.00
Saudi Arabia 751.00
Angola 751.00
Trinidad And Tobago 1001.00

Now, what does the odds tell you?That the number factor of 3964is to be taken seriously so much so that the payouts on Brazil winning is a paltry 3.25?It just does not make business sense to put my money on Brazil, but then again, for many of the world's football fans including myself,it is their favourite team.

Historical statistics again, it is also unwise to put your money on Brazil due to "The Continent Factor".What exactly is this factor?

"No European team has ever won the World Cup when it is held outside Europe; and no Latin American team has ever won it when it is held in Europe, except only once when Brazil won in Sweden in 1958"

And so, historically wise, you should pick a European team.But........think again.
1)Brazil has triumped in Europe before.
2)The last time it triumped, its in 1958 in which coincidently is also the 1958 + 2006 = 3964 number factor!!!!

Boy.............in two minds again. no.gif
CP
My conclusion.

Many a times we bet according to our heart and not our head.Given a choice to pick only one choice, Germany seems a lucrative bet offering payout of 9to1.
Yes, many may not have given Germany a chance; but who would have thought that hosts nation Korea made it to the semis in 2002?
And with Greece winning Euro2004, certainly with Germany lifting the cup this time round is not at all surprising.

Do not get me wrong.I am not saying that Germany stands a better chance to win.My head,my heart,and the statistics and omens points to Brazil.But, between a payout of 3.25 for Brazil compared to a payout of 9 for Germany, it makes a better business sense to put my money on Germany.
goldrush
With a payout 9-1,Germany would be my best bet

The Germans are reputable for their discipline,well grilled and famous comeback mentality.Currently this is a relative young team but with the following signs intact I believe they have a very good chance if they don't meet formidable opponents in their early rounds as history is on their side


Here's why

1)They are the home team.The last time they host in 1974...they won
2)The German is an European team on European soil ....cp already pointed out
3)But my strongest feeling comes from another nostalgic milestone in our TV broadcast.In 1974,the WC was the first to be broadcast in color in Singapore .32 years later this year we will be enjoying it in HD broadcast and coincidentally both times the events were held in Germany. The Germans took the crown in 74....The question is can they repeat it in 2006

your bet is as good as mine rolleyes.gif
The Matrix
i bet 3 countries to take the cup ... Brazil, England and ......








USA leh ...
gohks
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:31 pm)
i bet 3 countries to take the cup ... Brazil, England and ......
USA leh ...
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who is collecting bet here? smile.gif
desireless
Obvious who is the bookie... secret2.gif

He gave you his odds already biggrin.gif
CP
The 'head to tail all matches eat' bet method:
(Tau kao buay chiak kiew)



OK.I've done my homework.

One of the popular betting system is the 'give ball eat ball' method.I need not explain further if you have ever betted before in football.Historically speaking over the last few world cups, if you were to punt on every match,and you 'chiak kiew' for each and every match, you are likely going to end up a winner in the long run.

That means to say that you bet on every 'weaker' team all the way from opening ceremony till the final.Chiak all the way.Over the last few world cups I have made a note; out of the 64 matches being played, you are likely to end up a winner (total wins less losses) of about 10 matches.That means to say that if you were to put $100 on each and every match, you are likely to end up $1000 richer.(Or maybe $875 to $975 taking into account the bookie's commission).

But you must be disciplined.You have to bet in each and every match.Even when its Brazil vs Saudi and the going market is Brazil give 1.5 ball, you still have to take Saudi.

My logic for this is simple - When form prevails, ie when the teams are playing to their expectations, you are likely to win half the time (50%).But when there is an upset or a drawn game, you pocket the money.Having up to 10 upsets or drawn games in the tournament is not at all surprising.

Game on, anyone? biggrin.gif
desireless
I actually don't understand the "chiak" system. Do you mean buying the weaker team at the "handicap" game?
CP
QUOTE(desireless @ Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:46 am)
I actually don't understand the "chiak" system.
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Pang kiew chiak kiew.
The one taking a better team gives advantage to the one taking the weaker team.

Suppose its Brazil vs Spain and market rate Brazil give half ball.So you take Spain and 'chiak' half ball.If Brazil wins you lose,if its a draw you win and if Spain wins you win too.

Suppose its Brazil vs Korea and market rate Brazil gives one and a half (1.5) balls.So if you take Korea you 'chiak' 1.5 balls.
If Korea wins you win.
If drawn game you win too.
If Brazil wins by one goal (eg 1-0 or 2-1) you still win because Korea got 1.5 goals advantage.
If Brazil wins by 2 or more goals ( 2-0, 3-1, 3-0 etc) you lose.


Catch the ball? smile.gif
The Matrix
A team with handicap of + balls is Eat (chiak)
A team with handicap of - balls is Give (pang)

If Team A vs Team B and a 1/2 Goal odds of 1.5 balls, any team with - balls means the team has an handicap of -1.5 balls. The said team will need 2 goal advantage to win the odds, else lost.

Eg :
Match 0066 AngMoKio United (H) vs Aljunied Rover (a)
AMK United -1.5
Aljunied Rover +1.5

Aljunied Rover will have won the handicap if the score is less than or equal to 1 goal advantage to AMK Utd ( 2:1, 3:2, 0:0, 0:1 ... etc )

AMK Utd will have won the handicap if the score is more than or equal to 2 goal advantage to home team ( 2:0, 3:1, 4:2, 5:3 ... etc )
The Matrix
Let say you took AMK Utd handicap, CP asked u "oui, wat u bet ?" ... simply reply " AMK pang kiew " ; AMK Give balls. Meaning u bet on AMK to win at least 2 goals advantage.

Well, the other very popular and "privatised" handicap gaming are the 1/2 balls, 3/4 balls ... More kick and more fun !
gohks
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Sun, 04 Jun 2006 1:57 pm)
A team with handicap of + balls is Eat (chiak)
A team with handicap of - balls is Give (pang)

If Team A vs Team B and a 1/2 Goal odds of 1.5 balls, any team with - balls means the team has an handicap of -1.5 balls. The said team will need 2 goal advantage to win the odds, else lost.

Eg :
Match 0066 AngMoKio United (H) vs Aljunied Rover (a)
AMK United -1.5
Aljunied Rover +1.5

Aljunied Rover will have won the handicap if the score is less than or equal to 1 goal advantage to AMK Utd ( 2:1, 3:2, 0:0, 0:1 ... etc )

AMK Utd will have won the handicap if the score is more than or equal to 2 goal advantage to home team ( 2:0, 3:1, 4:2, 5:3 ... etc )
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WOW! Matrix, besides being a goldfish Guru, looks like you also a seasoned punter laugh.gif good.gif
gohks
QUOTE(CP @ Sat, 03 Jun 2006 8:57 pm)
The 'head to tail all matches eat' bet method:
(Tau kao buay chiak kiew)

OK.I've done my homework.

One of the popular betting system is the 'give ball eat ball' method.I need not explain further if you have ever betted before in football.Historically speaking over the last few world cups, if you were to punt on every match,and you 'chiak kiew' for each and every match, you are likely going to end up a winner in the long run.

That means to say that you bet on every 'weaker' team all the way from opening ceremony till the final.Chiak all the way.Over the last few world cups I have made a note; out of the 64 matches being played, you are likely to end up a winner (total wins less losses) of about 10 matches.That means to say that if you were to put $100 on each and every match, you are likely to end up $1000 richer.(Or maybe $875 to $975 taking into account the bookie's commission).

But you must be disciplined.You have to bet in each and every match.Even when its Brazil vs Saudi and the going market is Brazil give 1.5 ball, you still have to take Saudi.

My logic for this is simple - When form prevails, ie when the teams are playing to their expectations, you are likely to win half the time (50%).But when there is an upset or a drawn game, you pocket the money.Having up to 10 upsets or drawn games in the tournament is not at all surprising.

Game on, anyone? biggrin.gif
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So who is the sucker here rusure.gif noticed most of the bookies are as fat as Laserguy's Ryukin laugh.gif

When we play this way, we are praying for an upset, which probability is usually very low sad.gif
desireless
Oh.. Thanks for explaining. I understand liao... I know about the handicap rules. But when people say jiak kew I have no idea they mean playing the handicap game. peace.gif

There's also exists another type of handicap called the "asian handicap". Bascially it mean you split your bet to half-half.

Odd will be given like this:
Angola (1/1.5) @2.025
Portugal (-1/1.5) @1.825

Examples.

Supposed you are given the Asian Handicap odds as:
England (-0.5/1) @1.900
Paraguay (0.5/1) @1.950

You buy $100 England:
If Eng wins by 2 balls and above, you get back $190
If Eng wins by 1 ball, you take back half, and the other you multuiply by 1.90. Meaning you take back $145 (50 + 50x1.9).
If Eng draws or loses, you lose all.

You buy $100 Paraguay:
If Paraguay draws or wins, you take back $195.
If Paraguay lose by 1 goal, you lose half and take back half, ie $50.
If Paraguay loses 2 goals and above, you lose all.


Another one....

Supposed you are given the Asian Handicap odds as:
Angola (1/1.5) @2.025
Portugal (-1/1.5) @1.825

You buy $100 Angola:
If Angola draws or wins, you take back $202.50
If Angola lose by 1 goal, you take back half, and multiply the other half by 2.025. Meaning you take back $151.25 (50 + 50x2.025).
If Angola loses 2 goals and above, you lose all.

You buy $100 Portugal:
If Portugal wins by 2 balls and above, you get back $182.50
If Portugal wins by 1 ball, you lose half and take back half, ie $50.
If Portugal draws or loses, you lose all.
The Matrix
All 1/2 balls types of odds are called Asian Handicap. The US handicap is usually in whole number like +1, +9, +15 ... usually used in NBA, sometime in PGA.

The odds u given in the examples like 1/1.5 aka 1 1/4 and 0.5/1 aka 3/4 ...
desireless
Some european betting sites also consider full ball handicaps like 0:1 as Asian Handicaps. Very ruan. Don't know how else to call these odds with quarters. 3/4 is better represented as 0.5/1 anyway.
desireless
Hands up for those who subscribed to SCV World Cup 2006 channels....

Group Stage / First Round

"Here is the first round-group matches telecast schedule which i have self-compiled from RTM TV. Those matches not in the list will be shown on other channels such as TV3 and NTV7. Schedule for remaining matches up till final is not out yet."

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PS: The author holds no responsibility for any changes or mistake in this schedule.







...Me... sad.gif
CP
Neen nah beh.......me too. mad.gif
I wont be watching the live telecasts anyway, need to sleep.

No wonder they only ask for $15........... no.gif
desireless
haiz...

I paid 26.25 for the WC channels because I was not a subscriber.. even more tulan. mad.gif
goldrush
Official mascot of this year world cup happen to be LION named GOLEO6


Do you see as Gole 06 as in Goal 2006?
or Go Leo(the Lion)..6 as in 2006?
G-OLE- 06 as in go oleh(famous football chant)in 2006?





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desireless
What an ugly mascot... lol.gif
goldrush
I only notice OG (orgy) on his tee hump.gif hump.gif hump.gif


and he is ready with no bottom..... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
desireless
Wrongliao..... OG is a abbrev for "Own Goal". So maybe we will see lots of own goals this WC. shiok.gif
The Matrix
QUOTE(desireless @ Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:05 pm)
Wrongliao..... OG is a abbrev for "Own Goal". So maybe we will see lots of own goals this WC.  shiok.gif
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Wah .... if that's the case, I Chiak All the Way liao.
The Matrix
Interesting ... the 1st Mascot for World Cup is a Lion, 1966 London.

Final match, England vs Germany, 1:1, 2:2 and AET 4:2

2006, after 10 cycle, the Lion is back in Berlin.
goldrush
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Wed, 07 Jun 2006 2:32 pm)
Wah .... if that's the case, I Chiak All the Way liao.
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Lao Tan Poh Lai.....Hor Lang Chiak Leh.....Dont take all my LION's share hor


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goldrush
QUOTE(The Matrix @ Wed, 07 Jun 2006 2:55 pm)
Interesting ... the 1st Mascot for World Cup is a Lion, 1966 London.

Final match, England vs Germany, 1:1, 2:2 and AET 4:2

2006, after 10 cycle, the Lion is back in Berlin.
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England got three lions

Hint???????? rolleyes.gif
LASERGUY
QUOTE(desireless @ Tue, 06 Jun 2006 8:43 pm)


KNN, me too.......
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mountain
how to get the channels?? i dun understand wats wrong actually
CP
RTM 1 is available free to air.

That means that even if you dont have SCV, you can still watch most matches 'live'.
The Matrix
I tot already got news coming out that Malaysia will have free broadcasting thru their channels. But there will be a problem lah, the live image is not as "crisp and clear" as the local paid channels and the ads and commentaries will be in a language I know near to nuts (kachang !! biggrin.gif )

Anyway, I will likely to watching at the nearby S11 kopitiam ... more fun to watch with a cup of kopi-kosong and a lots of kaki. better than watching election result.


Now the Poolz gives out so many odds ... sure fun to predict the group winners and which team reach wat stage ... Desireless, got RG Odds bo ?
gohks
Donate some to Starhub lah, peanuts compared to what we spent in this hobby... tongue.gif
Also will get live good commentary smile.gif I am long term subscriber but may not be watching as need to lazy.gif:
desireless
They trying to come up with more options to spice up the game...

Example... "Group Winner", "How Far Will England Go" (GROUP STAGE, ROUND OF 16, QUARTER FINAL, SEMI FINAL, RUNNER UP, WINNER)

This is the SPECIAL page

ReloadZoom http://www.singaporepools.com.sg/Sports?page=display_details&type=nb
desireless
This is the Handicap (AKA Jiak Kew that CP was talking about) page:


ReloadZoom http://www.singaporepools.com.sg/Sports?page=display_details&type=hg

A bit brainless leh... Why cannot have 1/2 ball instead for some matches like Australia vs Japan? ohmy.gif Why die die must 1.5?
CP
QUOTE(desireless @ Thu, 08 Jun 2006 2:48 pm)
A bit brainless leh... Why cannot have 1/2 ball instead for some matches like Australia vs Japan?  ohmy.gif Why die die must 1.5?
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Because the 1st part of the bet, (win,lose,draw) is like giving half ball liao.Only difference is if you 'chiak' and if its drawn game, you still lose money.





OK.First match's tips.Germany vs Costa Rica.
Take CR, +1.5 at payout of 2 to 1.
desireless
But you eat ball you are buying draw as well right? Very rare to see handicap odds going up to 5.00

So some places offer level handicap (0). How to buy?
CP
The win/draw/lose is the level handicap one.If both teams are statiscially equal in streangth, payout should be close to 3 to 1. Something like win 2.85, draw 2.9 ,lose 2.75.

If one team much stronger than the other, say Brazil vs Saudi, payout for Brazil win maybe 1.2, draw 4.0, saudi win 5. (Eg nia..........)




QUOTE(desireless @ Thu, 08 Jun 2006 5:36 pm)
Very rare to see handicap odds going up to 5.00
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Can try total goal 0. ie the game ends up 0-0.Payout is around 10 to 1.
Good buy when Italy plays......... rolleyes.gif
desireless
1&half more hour..... shiok.gif
CP
Let the bettings begin!!

CHIAK AH!!!!!!!!!!!!
desireless
Shit... one more goal from the German side and we'll be fried... rusure.gif

Win this and I can buy a ranchu tomorrow biggrin.gif

Chiak ah!!!
top_view_ranchu
QUOTE(desireless @ Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:55 am)
Shit... one more goal from the German side and we'll be fried...  rusure.gif

Win this and I can buy a ranchu tomorrow biggrin.gif

Chiak ah!!!
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Bro,
But if German don't score 1 more. I'll loss a few BBR leh! rusure.gif
desireless
Wow?! Nowadays TVR hobbyists using BBRs to gamble?? biggrin.gif

Chelsea is soooo going to buy Wanchope...
desireless
4-2

Aiyah.. no more ranchu...
top_view_ranchu
QUOTE(desireless @ Sat, 10 Jun 2006 1:34 am)
Wow?! Nowadays TVR hobbyists using BBRs to gamble?? biggrin.gif

Chelsea is soooo going to buy Wanchope...
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Hahaha........ blush.gif
Well.....4 : 2....
More BBR liao!!! biggrin.gif
Bung ah............Chiong ah.............. nananana.gif
goldrush
First upset Poland 0-Equador 2

Ooh Ranchu boh or kiok tio LC shiok.gif


Any tips for today's match? rusure.gif
CP
QUOTE(goldrush @ Sat, 10 Jun 2006 7:25 am)
Any tips for today's match? rusure.gif
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Chiak, chiak,chiak!!
Every match.



The 'chiak all the way' status after day1:
Take Costa lose.
Take Ecuador win.

Status - Level.
top_view_ranchu
QUOTE(CP @ Sat, 10 Jun 2006 8:47 am)
Chiak, chiak,chiak!!
Every match.
The 'chiak all the way' status after day1:
Take Costa lose.
Take Ecuador win.

Status - Level.
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Correction!
Take Costa lose half nia. yes.gif If chiak 1.5 to 2 balls. ;)
goldrush
Boh chiak,just play solely underdog of every game

Play $100 each for yesterday 2 games still win $170 leh biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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