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goldrush
Ok as promised,I have currently 5 different setup in my outdoor goldfishkeeping


1)fish living in green water
2)fish living together in koi water
3)fish living in the filter of koi pond
4)fish live in clear biofiltration setup with wall algae
5)fish living in a confined glass tank with biofiltration and 2 X 30%water change daily(my outdoor quarantine tank)If no fish is under quarantine ,this tank serve as a holding tank for fishes in which their tank need a total water change and scrub down.

All water change is made through a 80-litres dustbin with vigorous aeration and fully exposed to the sun.


Here are the pictures

First my green setup and the container of fishes within.No biofiltration just two airstones.But water turns dark green at the end of each day so I need to change up to 50 % to reduce intensity of green mad.gif


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goldrush
Fish living in koi water

Now this fish was featured earlier in the improvised"shark-cage"and share the same environment as my koi

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goldrush
Fish living in the filter of my koi pond

A total of 5 fish (3 chinese ranchus,1 calico and 1 lionchu) dwell in this 4x4 ft final chamber of my koi filtration setup

the filter of gold

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goldrush
Fish living in clear water with wall algae




And the fishes within

All blacks smile.gif)

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goldrush
And finally (took me that long becos of 10 mins interval to separate post!!!!!!)

Fish living in a confined biofiltration setup with 30% change twice daily(basically my outdoor quarantine tank)

Currently there is an occupant within bigwink.gif




And the dustbin I was referring to. laugh.gif

goodnite

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CyberET
what a tiny water volume for your green water setup, i guess those living in your final filter compartment would be doing the best?
gohks
QUOTE(goldrush @ Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:39 pm) *

Fish living in clear water with wall algae
And the fishes within

All blacks smile.gif)

For expt purpose, why don't you put one of the blacks into your green water tank and see how it turns out thinking.gif
CP
QUOTE(goldrush @ Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:45 pm) *

1)fish living in green water
2)fish living together in koi water
3)fish living in the filter of koi pond
4)fish live in clear biofiltration setup with wall algae
5)fish living in a confined glass tank with biofiltration and 2 X 30%water change daily(my outdoor quarantine tank)

(2) and (3) identical.
(4) and (5) similiar, except for the wall algae.
(2),(3),(4),(5) has same water parameters.

(1) is the odd one out.So you finally want to try it out? rolleyes.gif




QUOTE(goldrush @ Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:45 pm) *

.But water turns dark green at the end of each day so I need to change up to 50 % to reduce intensity of green mad.gif

Try seeding very little.Change at least 95%, seed 5%, or maybe just 1 or 2 litres of your old green water for a tub that size.It should start showing light green after a day or two, and intense green by end of the week.
Amount of fishes and feeds also plays a part, so adjust accordingly by trial and error.
chanB
WOW great effort. Please let me know which is the best set-up. Thanks.
goldrush
2)lives in the main pond together with processed and unprocessed water
3)lives in final filtered and perhaps almost complete processed water

Both I can feed without giving a damn about water fouling up and no change of water as in the rest.

5)is just a transitional tank and not a permanent lodging but has a biofilter running to accept sick fish ,new fish and transit fish smile.gif)


4)has a daily water top up about 30liters each with 20 liters siphon off and with a complete water change if stringey algae appears.......about a week++++

1)is the most siong as daily change up to 50% is mandatory :sad
goldrush
QUOTE(chanB @ Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:33 pm) *

WOW great effort. Please let me know which is the best set-up. Thanks.


Dear Chan

Every setup is different.
Different lifestyles,different tastes
You may be mesmerised by the wide range of setups over here
Try to find one that not only suits you but becomes uniquely yours
So make your choice and dare to try a different concept at times
but remember to share its pitfalls and perils to enlighten us all.
CP
QUOTE(goldrush @ Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:33 pm) *

1)is the most siong as daily change up to 50% is mandatory :sad

My experience is that changing 50% will see no significance in water clarity, it will remain green and looks no different the next day.

Maybe its due to the algae multiplication exponentially, if for example they double their counts daily, you will end up square one after just one day.Much like the opposite of 'half life' in radiation.So if you seed very little, it will take some time for the population to explode.This is just my hyphothesis, anyway.

In layman terms, if you have 1,000,000 algaes and they double their count daily, if you change 50% then you end up with 500,000 today and back to 1,000,000 tomorrow.
So if you change 95% and seed 5%, then
Day 1 - 50,000
Day 2 - 100,000
Day 3 - 200,000
Day 4 - 400,000
Day 5 - 800,000
Day 6 - 1,600,000
Day 7 - Change water again.

But I suspect that come day 5 or 6 there is not enough space or food for them to double their counts.So there is a saturation at some point.
That is the whole idea of seeding very little.I manage that with bi-weekly changes at my outdoor ponds.There are no hard and fast rules, a lot of experimenting and finding the right combinations.
ranchu8
QUOTE(goldrush @ Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:45 pm) *

First my green setup and the container of fishes within.No biofiltration just two airstones.But water turns dark green at the end of each day so I need to change up to 50 % to reduce intensity of green mad.gif

hi, which intensity of green from the following website does it reach at the end of the day? http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=445
at the rate you're doing, you're seeding half of the green water instead of what CP proposed.

from the photo of the round light green/blue container in post#1, is that the intensity of the green at the end of the day or immediately after water change? in post#1, are you keeping the fishes in the something like 3 feet X 2 feet black rectangular tub or the small round light green/blue container?
chochiss
good variations. just wanna know the purpose of the final setup...the temporary lodging area? blink.gif
goldrush
QUOTE(ranchu8 @ Wed, 26 Jul 2006 12:20 am) *

hi, which intensity of green from the following website does it reach at the end of the day? http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=445
at the rate you're doing, you're seeding half of the green water instead of what CP proposed.

from the photo of the round light green/blue container in post#1, is that the intensity of the green at the end of the day or immediately after water change? in post#1, are you keeping the fishes in the something like 3 feet X 2 feet black rectangular tub or the small round light green/blue container?


Ok picture shows after a total water change with 3X2 feet tub(hypo and buffered).The container in which fish is housed contain the faint green seed which will be introduced after equalisation of temperature.
goldrush
QUOTE(chochiss @ Wed, 26 Jul 2006 6:45 pm) *

good variations. just wanna know the purpose of the final setup...the temporary lodging area? blink.gif


The temporary lodging is to house any sick fish,new fish and holds fish on complete water change schedule.The biofilter has to be fed with this occasional introduction to keep it going.As any system has its endemic microscopic inhabitants I would like to expose new fish to this inherent inhabitants without causing a major outbreak but induce the emergence of immunity in this new fish .That is what quarantine is all about isn't it.
goldrush
QUOTE(CyberET @ Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:31 am) *

what a tiny water volume for your green water setup, i guess those living in your final filter compartment would be doing the best?


Is there a minimum volume for a green water setup? rusure.gif

Both fish in the final filter compartment as well as the main pond are doing very well with vibrant color , growth plus bulk.The only setback to the one in the main pond is that I can only feed the fish the most three times a day.

As for the wall algaed tubs,I am housing strictly blacks which are comparatively slow growers longpia.gif so I cannot conclude much out of this setup. hmm.gif
chanB
Hi Goldrush,

Guess u are right, one need to try a few set up, then they will know which suits right. as all hobbist tank or pond's location and work schedule is different.
goldrush
My sixth variation


I have placed my new brownies in an odd shaped tub carrying just 40 litres of water without airline,without filter but only with a continuous trickle from the koi filtration tank.These fishes are fed three meals a day.

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Here is an attached video of the setup




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CP
Continuous trickle?

Where does the water overflow to?
goldrush
To the drain
CP
So, are you still maintaining your green water setup?Did you adhere to my suggestion of seeding very little?

Hmmm.........havent visited you quite a while.Been busy.Time to for my scaling and polishing soon......... rolleyes.gif
ranchu8
Looks like all the setups have great quality water with the power filtration system (except green water with a different system) smile.gif
goldrush
QUOTE(CP @ Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:38 pm) *

So, are you still maintaining your green water setup?Did you adhere to my suggestion of seeding very little?

Hmmm.........havent visited you quite a while.Been busy.Time to for my scaling and polishing soon......... rolleyes.gif



Oh yes thxs,by retaining just a little amount of seed and introduce it after a total water change,I was able to maintain a healthy range(before turning dark green)for about a week without any water change.

Time to fix an appointment to avoid any disappointment!!!!! peace.gif
desireless
Green Water with Continuous flow input! good_very.gif New hybrid. Let us know the outcome after 3 months man!
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