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Seacucumber
just bought these 2 fellow.....
pls comment....
just shoot! i need to learn more about ryukins...thanks!

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Seacucumber
in my new 4ft tank

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eroken
very nice where u bought & how $thks
void
QUOTE(g-string @ Wed 25 Feb 2004 10:29 PM)
just bought these 2 fellow.....
pls comment....
just shoot! i need to learn more about ryukins...thanks!

from the picture, the first fish has unique color... but the anal fin section is not smooth... the peduncle is abit too long too...

from the picture, the second fish has nicer hump and fins... except the tail which is not so nice... closed tail... too small...

hehehe... no offence ah... wink.gif
Seacucumber
hmm....at least i know what to look for in my next purchase...
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HappyBuddha
Maybe becoz of the short-tails Ryukin's unique body structure, there is a tendency for the tail end to be un-balanced. If you look very carefully at many LFS, a lot of ST Ryukin of this size has anal fins that is slanted to one side, some to the extend the anal fins will stick out from beneath the tails. When you see such a Ryukin, look even more closely and you'll find the whole backend is slanted. It's as if one side of the fish grew faster than the other side. I suspect the red Ryukin, judging from the folding tails, is one such Ryukin?

Sorry I can't explain any better. sad.gif
void
hmm... maybe bro caster can give some comments... i think his ryukins are awesome... good_very.gif
caster
QUOTE(void @ Thu 26 Feb 2004 09:10 AM)
hmm... maybe bro caster can give some comments... i think his ryukins are awesome...  good_very.gif

I am no expert, but I will give it a try smile.gif

For me Ryukin's body shape & Tail is primarily. For the first fish, the color looks like bronze, and the color confirm will fade to a pale yellow. The hump looks not so pronounce, when look at the hump, one should look at it from side first than the front. The hump on the back should be as high as possible and the head must look as if it was punch into the body smile.gif, and when looking from the front, the hump must be thick and broad, preferable bigger than width of the head.

The head is nice not too big or too small, the mouth looks like facing down which is very good for ryukin.

The body shape is a good, but not ideal, this is normally the shape I go for when buying from LFS because those fishes are underfed. Feed for a week or 2 , the belly should grow bigger and round... hopefully stretch a liitle bit more towards the anal fin side. I have experience that fishes are ideal in shape when I bot them but after a week or 2 of pumping, the body goes out of shape sad.gif .

For a short tail ryukin, the tail is too big and the biggest issue is that the tail does not open. The ryukin tail must be open when stationary and when it swim, the tail must not fold badly and looks unbalance

Most ryukin have detach anal fins, such that there is a gap between the tail and the anal fin, and that is no good. Your first fish have very nice anal fin.

On of the very important thing about ryukin is the dorsal fin must be standing up and open at all times, whether it is stationary, or swimming (due to water resistance, the fin might just collaspse just a very little bit)

For second fish, everything is nice except the tail and the belly. The folded tail is a major defect. and the belly shape is not as good as the black.

heheheh.... Just my personal preference and guideline for choosing ryukins tongue.gif...

cheers
void
QUOTE(caster @ Thu 26 Feb 2004 10:27 AM)
I am no expert, but I will give it a try smile.gif

For me Ryukin's body ...

thanks for the tips... i'm a short tail ryukin fanatics... this helps me alot in selections... hopefully, once i get a dicam, you can comment on my ryukins... wink.gif

btw, should the tail of the ryukin covers the anal fins?
caster
QUOTE(void @ Thu 26 Feb 2004 12:58 PM)
thanks for the tips... i'm a short tail ryukin fanatics... this helps me alot in selections... hopefully, once i get a dicam, you can comment on my ryukins...  wink.gif

btw, should the tail of the ryukin covers the anal fins?

Brudder don;t say until like I am an expert, I am still learning lah, from many ryukin sifu that I know.

For me, as long as the tail can cover half of the anal fin, it is good enough... very difficult to find a short tail ryukin with hidden anal fin.
Seacucumber
wah! so may things to note ah!
hmm......thanks everyone for their precious comments..
will try to look for the ultimate ryukin from now on....
and will not buy on impulse....hahahaha....

in fact, poor me....i buy the 1st fish becos of the colour....
and i buy the 2nd fish becos of the hump....

but hor, are the 2 fishes above so jialat that its not worth keeping??
wat are your opinions??
maybe i steam them tonight?? or maybe some sashimi??
hehehehe....
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(g-string @ Thu 26 Feb 2004 05:23 PM)
wah! so may things to note ah!
hmm......thanks everyone for their precious comments..
will try to look for the ultimate ryukin from now on....
and will not buy on impulse....hahahaha....

in fact, poor me....i buy the 1st fish becos of the colour....
and i buy the 2nd fish becos of the hump....

but hor, are the 2 fishes above so jialat that its not worth keeping??
wat are your opinions??
maybe i steam them tonight?? or maybe some sashimi??
hehehehe....

Oei, nobody say they are bad lah.

In fact the brown Ryukin is quite rare and unique. I'm actually hoping you can keep it long enough to see if the colour will change or fade.

I'd proudly keep them in my tank.

Free I take, but you must give me the tank also lah. biggrin.gif

You can keep that filter. mad.gif
Seacucumber
no lah....in fact i am very happy that you guys are helpful enough to show me wat are the criterias in choosing a good ryukin... good_very.gif

its a billion times better than those people who will just give comments like...
"WAH SWEE AH!"
dun wana say where.... wink.gif
void
QUOTE(g-string @ Thu 26 Feb 2004 05:23 PM)
but hor, are the 2 fishes above so jialat that its not worth keeping??
wat are your opinions??
maybe i steam them tonight?? or maybe some sashimi??
hehehehe....

are they both males / females or a pair? why not try to breed them if they are indeed a pair... who knows you will find your ultimate ryukins in their offsprings... shiok.gif

dun steam or sashimi... deep fried better... tongue.gif
void
Quotes from a magazine....

DORSAL FIN = Dorsal fin

LEKUK PUNGGUNG = Arch of Hump

TITIK PANGKAL = Base points

SUDUT EKOR = Angle of tail

ANAL FIN TERTUTUP = Closed anal fin

LEKUK PERUT = Arch of Belly

1. Head
A good head must point straight to the front and it should be a triangle shaped when viewed from the top. The size of the head must not be too big.

2. Hump
Good ryukins must have high hump. The starting point of the hump and the ending point of the hump should look like a arch of a bow. They should starts and ends at the same horizontal level. This to ensure the ryukin swims in a balance manner. If one of the points is either too low or too high, the ryukin will swim either head down or up.

3. Belly
The arch of the belly should also looks like the arch of a bow. If viewed overall, the body should looks like circle. Belly which is too big will cause the ryukin not to swim normally.

4. Tail fin
The caudal fin should create a wide angle between the top fin and below fin. When viewed from top or side, the tail fins should not be closed. The wide angle of tail not only affects the swimming posture of the ryukin, but it also act as a cover for the anal fin (I guess for long tail ryukin).

5. Dorsal fin
It must erect straight everytime.

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Seacucumber
i like number 5....

"must ERECT straight everytime"

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void
bro g-string... since ur tank is still empty, why dun u buy the short tail dragon eye ryukins from 35A? shiok.gif bro LASERGUY says the quality is good... good_very.gif
Seacucumber
dun like the dragoneye leh....
i only like short tail ryukin n ranchu... rolleyes.gif
HappyBuddha
Can any body explain to me why I have yet seen any Short-tail Ryukin on sale at LFS that is less than 2 inches in size please?

All those little Ryukins on sale are long-tails.

I would like to raise short-tails from young.

Any lobangs? unsure.gif
HappyBuddha
Guys, with all the info posted in this thread, I may be able to do up a pictorial guide for Ryukin. Shall I try?

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... the mouth looks like facing down which is very good for ryukin.

This might be quite challenging to show but I can try.... smile.gif
Seacucumber
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Fri 27 Feb 2004 06:36 AM)
Can any body explain to me why I have yet seen any Short-tail Ryukin on sale at LFS that is less than 2 inches in size please?

All those little Ryukins on sale are long-tails.

I would like to raise short-tails from young.

Any lobangs?  unsure.gif

i saw once at Farmart.....abt 2 -3 inch...$20 each....
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(g-string @ Fri 27 Feb 2004 07:55 AM)
i saw once at Farmart.....abt 2 -3 inch...$20 each....

May I know when was that? If it's not too long ago I'll go Farmart asaic. happydance1.gif
Seacucumber
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Fri 27 Feb 2004 08:04 AM)
May I know when was that?  If it's not too long ago I'll go Farmart asaic.  happydance1.gif

hahaha....tats about 6 mths back....
hahahahahaha

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Allan
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Sorry, I don't know much about Ryukin (or other goldfish for that matter).

Is the above Ryukin a long or short-tails? The dorsal looks too long for a short-tail and the tails too short for a long-tails.

I'm confused.

Also, is there really such a thing as a yellow Ryukin?
max
Hi I am new to this forum but not very new to keeping goldfish. My hobby date back to 1995, started with a 2.5 ft tank with 9 baby ranchus about 1.5 inch each. Novice like me dunno much bout fish keeping, slowly one by one died of diseases unknown to me. I spend alot, read up lots of books, aquire info as much as I can. still learning the finer art of goldfish keeping. Today I have a 4x2x2 ft tank with 5 big Ryukin, happy & healthy. I really hope to learn from you all, share what I noe (not much actually). Yah by the way you must be wondering why Ryukin & not Ranchu, thruth is I have grown tired of it oridi.
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(maxpeng @ Sat 28 Feb 2004 02:11 PM)
Hi I am new to this forum but not very new to keeping goldfish. My hobby date....

Welcome aboard! hi.gif

We're all here to learn from one another. Everyone here loves to pass knowledge around if you're willing to ask (nicely.)

I'm glad there's one more Ryukin lover to add to the list. Is there any chance you have access to a digital camera? It'll be great if you could upload pics of your collections.

Ranchu is quite different from Ryukin, the later has a more aggressive stand that I like very much. To me side-view ranchus are cute but I know a few people quite turned off by the fact it lacks a dorsal fin. Ryukin is very macho looking especially when they have a large hump and strong fully erected dorsal fin.
void
QUOTE(Allan @ Sat 28 Feb 2004 11:40 AM)


Sorry, I don't know much about Ryukin (or other goldfish for that matter).

Is the above Ryukin a long or short-tails?  The dorsal looks too long for a short-tail and the tails too short for a long-tails.

I'm confused.

Also, is there really such a thing as a yellow Ryukin?

I would say that the attached picture is a semi long tail ryukin... yes, the color is not snow white... more like off-white... i have a similar short tail ryukin with this off-white color too... hehehe... i bought it becos i tot the color is unique... tongue.gif
void
btw, i'm going to enter my goldfish for competition... tongue.gif for learning experience... smile.gif

i'll be entering a short tail ryukin (junior) and a ranchu (baby)... hmm.gif too bad i dun have a dicam... or else experts here can give their valuable comments b4 i enter them for the event... yes.gif

wish me luck hor... peace.gif
white horse T1
QUOTE(g-string @ Wed 25 Feb 2004 10:30 PM)
in my new 4ft tank

i tot u sold yr tank away. u mean it come with empty accessories..?
how u manage to transport back, free also?
white horse T1
QUOTE(void @ Thu 26 Feb 2004 08:44 PM)
Quotes from a magazine....

DORSAL FIN = Dorsal fin

LEKUK PUNGGUNG = Arch of Hump

TITIK PANGKAL = Base points

SUDUT EKOR = Angle of tail

ANAL FIN TERTUTUP = Closed anal fin

LEKUK PERUT = Arch of Belly

1. Head
A good head must point straight to the front and it should be a triangle shaped when viewed from the top. The size of the head must not be too big.

2. Hump
Good ryukins must have high hump. The starting point of the hump and the ending point of the hump should look like a arch of a bow. They should starts and ends at the same horizontal level. This to ensure the ryukin swims in a balance manner. If one of the points is either too low or too high, the ryukin will swim either head down or up.

3. Belly
The arch of the belly should also looks like the arch of a bow. If viewed overall, the body should looks like circle. Belly which is too big will cause the ryukin not to swim normally.

4. Tail fin
The caudal fin should create a wide angle between the top fin and below fin. When viewed from top or side, the tail fins should not be closed. The wide angle of tail not only affects the swimming posture of the ryukin, but it also act as a cover for the anal fin (I guess for long tail ryukin).

5. Dorsal fin
It must erect straight everytime.

i tot this is worth putting in Tips and Hints for quick reference.
Seacucumber
QUOTE(void @ Sun 29 Feb 2004 10:14 AM)
btw, i'm going to enter my goldfish for competition...  tongue.gif  for learning experience...  smile.gif

i'll be entering a short tail ryukin (junior) and a ranchu (baby)...  hmm.gif too bad i dun have a dicam... or else experts here can give their valuable comments b4 i enter them for the event...  yes.gif

wish me luck hor...  peace.gif

the Fishlove competition??
all right!
you, Allan and me....! good_very.gif
void
QUOTE(g-string @ Sun 29 Feb 2004 10:44 AM)
the Fishlove competition??
all right!
you, Allan and me....!  good_very.gif

brother.. no lah... my competition will be in jakarta... tongue.gif
nanik
QUOTE(void @ Sun 29 Feb 2004 10:03 AM)
brother.. no lah... my competition will be in jakarta...  tongue.gif

Hi Void,

Which fish competition in Jakarta are you joining ?

Cheers
Nanik
max
Sorry for the delay, got some problem with the file size of the pics. Maybe can advise me on how to send them thru, appreciate.... Anyway thank Happy Buddha for the encouragement & the warm welcome. Look fwd to send pics of my goldfish to this forum.
void
QUOTE(nanik @ Mon 01 Mar 2004 01:41 PM)
Hi Void,

Which fish competition in Jakarta are you joining ?

Cheers
Nanik

i'll be joining Alfamart Fish Competition & Expo... for learning experience... wink.gif
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(maxpeng @ Mon 01 Mar 2004 07:08 PM)
Sorry for the delay, got some problem with the file size of the pics.  Maybe can advise me on how to send them thru, appreciate.... Anyway thank Happy Buddha for the encouragement & the warm welcome. Look fwd to send pics of my goldfish to this forum.

Hi max,

You can upload and attach pics when you post or reply to a topic. In the editor, scroll down half a screen and you'll see the option to attach pics. Just make sure the file size is less then 50KB. To do so, use your photo editing program to scale down or crop your pics to 500x375 pixels in dimension, and save it with a 72 DPI resolution. Most of the pics bros uploaded at well under 25KB in size, making them fast to display on screen and saves us the disk space to store them.
nanik
QUOTE(void @ Mon 01 Mar 2004 09:28 PM)
i'll be joining Alfamart Fish Competition & Expo... for learning experience...  wink.gif

Hi,

Cool, yeah it's a BIG competition. Which category you are competing in ? maybe we can meet up there and chat bro.

For those who don't know "Alfamart Fish Competition & Expo", it's a very big competition in Jakarta that is being held from 1-7 March. Basically it's a mixed competition of Louhans, Goldfish and other fishes. The total prize is grab is close to $36,000 (correct me if I'm wrong).

There will be a topview ranchus exhibition too.

Cheers
Nanik
void
QUOTE(nanik @ Wed 03 Mar 2004 02:05 PM)
Hi,

Cool, yeah it's a BIG competition. Which category you are competing in ? maybe we can meet up there and chat bro.


i'll be competing in baby ranchu and junior short tail ryukin... hopefully can learn something from the masters there... tongue.gif
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