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livet
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vakratunda
Livet,
Check out these links I found for you. It might be either a fantail or a veiltail.

http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfi...ail/fantail.htm

and

http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfi...il/veiltail.htm

I hope this helps.
livet
thanks..I think it's fantail smile.gif
chochiss
fantail. are those live plants?
livet
Yes there are live plants smile.gif I looked again on my fish and I'm thinkind that would be young ryukin..
livet
my another fish. Are they ryukins?

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vakratunda
Livet,
Are you sure those are Ryukins? Here is a link to wikipedia with information on Ryukins.
And here are some photos of Ryukins for comparison.

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livet
I don't know what kind of goldfish are my fish. They may be fantail or young ryukins... I don't know.. thinking.gif worried.gif
vakratunda
What a dilema indeed. I have you tried private messaging one of the seniour members too see if they can help you out?
desireless
If you are particular with the specific type, then it is not a fantail, nor a veiltail. The specific tail type appears to be a Ribbontail which was once quite popular in USA. For people/clubs who are very concerned with tail types, then (long-tailed) ryukins should have fringetail like this:
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These tail types are all very close. What separates them is the shape of the tail. So if you are not so concerned with the tail type, then YES, you can call your fish a ryukin.


More examples of ryukin can found in our gallery and some competitions with ryukin categories
livet
hmmm... I don't know anythink right now..... sad.gif
desireless
Haha.. like I say there's no real need to be so concerned for long tailed goldfish species.

A little more understanding....
http://sunzi1.lib.hku.hk/hkjo/view/27/2700408.pdf
"A Ribbon-tail is a deeply forked double tail rendering the lobes of each tail prominent. A Ribbon-tail may have its lobes very pointed or rounded off depending upon the variety of the fish but it can never approach
the length and softness of a real Veil-tail."


What it means by "deeply forked" is this:
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The tail shape is similar to that of a comet from side view. However it is broader in comparison and on top of that Ribbontails are double-caudaled.

Like I say, there's no need to be so concerend on the tail type because there exist many types for some goldfish species. The naming is simply based on how they are shaped. For example, Orandas. If you frequent a certain LFS, you will notice that batches from different breeder or area will bear different tail shape. Sometimes you see one tank of broadtail, sometimes ribbontail, sometimes fringetail, etc. But they are all orandas, right?

It is also mentioned in the above article that the oriental breeders are not so distinctive with ribbontail or veiltail. In Europe and USA, there are clubs which are very particular about such tail type distinction. In contrast, you can observe from the many competitions in the asian regions that there is not much focus on the tail type. For your concern about ryukin, the more refined competitions/shows breaks up the ryukin class into simply "long tailed" and "short tailed". yes.gif
vakratunda
Interesting. So they are all Ryukins with different shaped tails. That's good information to know. But if we were to get technical, Livet's fish would be called a ribbon tail ryukin? correct?
desireless
Technically, it is called "Ribbontail Goldfish". That is by some club standard based in USA.

But if you click the Ryukin link at the UK Bristol Aquarists website given above, they mentioned that:
"There is a long-tailed version of this fish known as fringetail/ribbontail ryukin."

I assume that this statement means that BY THEIR STANDARD, ryukin can have ribbontail too.

But to some clubs based in USA, Ribbontail Goldfish and Ryukin are 2 different categories. And for them, the standard for ryukins is only fringetail.

All these standards are set by clubs. I interprete it as attempts by these different clubs to define goldfish standards. So I do not think we should be so concerned with such things. There are other aspects we need to look into for the ryukins class like hump, body shape, etc so if there is a need to break up the ryukin class, simply long tailed and short tailed will do.
TokyoRanchu
If this fish came from Japan, it is a commercial grade Ryukin (I see lots like this).

I think it is pretty representative of that variety at a non-specialist level. Fish looks healthy and will be a nice pet.

Matt
chochiss
Over here in M'sia.....it's just a norm fantail.

My ryukin.....just to help in comparison.....

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hrich
guys, I need....may be a confirmation it's my fantail (or...at least I think so)

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nygold
How about since it has no hump it's a fantail and since it's deeply forked it's
a ribbon tail. So could it be a Ribbon-tailed Fantail?
Goldenpearl
I think its a chinese Veiltail lookat the site of bristol aquarics heres a link http://www.bristol-aquarists.org.uk/goldfi...il/veiltail.htm look under Chinese Veiltail there
see how the describe the Ryukin like hump, probely bred is some time.
Japanse dont often send out bad ryukin the have a name and onnor the keep hich, ans the dont want annwan now the secrets.
So treu japanse Ryukin are scares atleast in europa en the USA i believe.
But Japan have strickt cullings the dont offten send bad badges ryukins who look like ventail, iam sure this is a Chinese ventail.

PS japanse fish kost more, but the are les comercial, better fish for a price, not badges of scheap ass box fillings imo
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