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d_golem
Firstly sorry about my lousy photo skills.

A grade Thai ranchu (according to the tank label).

I think this is also a TVR reject based on the wen shape.

3 inches (8 cm) long from nose to tip of tail.

First non-local (non Australian-bred) ranchu I bought. Price AU$30 (of course quite expensive but what can you do if u live in OZ).

What do you guys think? And what can I do to improve this ranchu to become a good mature SVR? (apart from fattening it up of course)

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stoptogo
Yo Bro,

This is a nice side view ranchu too! good_very.gif
A rare gem that you had found in the tank of rejects. Enjoy this fish and grow it... laugh.gif
Kinder
A good catch...nice SVR.
and also must stress....$30 is cheap.

Hope to see it again in few months time....enjoy it!

Kinder
d_golem
QUOTE(stoptogo @ Sun, 15 Jul 2007 4:58 pm) *

Yo Bro,

This is a nice side view ranchu too! good_very.gif
A rare gem that you had found in the tank of rejects. Enjoy this fish and grow it... laugh.gif
Thx bro

QUOTE(Kinder @ Sun, 15 Jul 2007 6:48 pm) *

A good catch...nice SVR.
and also must stress....$30 is cheap.

Hope to see it again in few months time....enjoy it!

Kinder
U sure $30 is cheap? blush.gif
Will definitely post development pics in a few months' time.


Btw, no comments from the resident ranchu experts here?
desireless
From the side view profile, this fish has great potential. It is a very decent catch for AUD30. Give it lots of high protein food.

From the top view pictures, it seems that the tail is tilted to its right side. I may be wrong.
goldrush
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Not too bad a catch

Give it more frozen worms to make it robust and not too fat.Too much pellets tend to distend the stomach too awkwardly.So feed pellets sparingly.In between meals of greens should complete a well balanced diet.Keep us update of its development.
d_golem
Whoa pellets distend the stomach? I guess bloodworms are easier to digest then. But won't soaking the pellets prior to feeding prevents the intestinal blockage?

For the greens, peas only ok? Or should I also give zucchini?
goldrush
Bloodworms are easier to digest and not too fattening.They can be given every hour as they are easier on their digestive tracts.The danger of overfeeding them is not fattening but rather due to deterioration of water condition .Tubifex however tend to be more fattening and may cause unsightly globular distention of the tummy(my personal observation)Pellets tend to take longer for complete digestion...approximately twice the time taken.So exercise caution when giving each type of feed.See the poo to assess the amount and frequency.To each its own.....try to find your own schedule to fit and to feed.
bekko
BLOODWORMS (dry weight basis):
Protein 54.9%
Fat 5.2%
Fiber 3.0%
Ash 14.2%
d_golem
Very similar to Hikari Lionhead then rolleyes.gif
bekko
The numbers may be similar, but the numbers do not tell you anything about the quality of the proteins. The protein building blocks (amino acids) need to be available in the correct proportions so that when the fish re-assembles those building blocks into fish protein (in the process of growth) there are enough of each type of amino acid and none are left over.

We can tell by the price that Hikari Lionhead must be good, but the only way to really compare it to bloodworms is through a controlled feeding trial.

The one time I tried feeding nothing but bloodworms to small rapidly growing goldfish, some bad things happened. It may have been coincidence so I won't say anything more abiout that - except that goldfish are omnivores.

-steve
peter porker
QUOTE(bekko @ Thu, 19 Jul 2007 5:04 pm) *

BLOODWORMS (dry weight basis):
Protein 54.9%
Fat 5.2%
Fiber 3.0%
Ash 14.2%


So are you advocating freeze dried or frozen worms stevo?

I used to shun bloodworms because of this strange coincidence that my fish would suffer from wen rot when they are on a partial bloodworm diet.

And someone in another forum just mentioned that formalin's used in the preservation of frozen worms.
bekko
I'm not advocating anything - just making conversation. Mostly, I use live bloodworms because they are free, but keep some frozen on hand too. I give them to oya and the most promising tategoi.

To tell the truth, I feed bloodworms only because you guys tell me to and have never noticed that anything bad happens if I don't use bloodworms for a few weeks.

I was really pumping some juveniles about 2 cm one time and was giving them bloodworms exclusively about 5 times a day. After a week or so of this, some of the juveniles flipped over with SBD and died almost immediately. I opened up one of the juveniles just as it was dying and the body cavity was full of fat globules. I do not understand why/if the juveniles would develop so much fat on a bloodworm diet. Maybe the fat deposits developed prior to putting them on the bloodworm diet and something else killed them. I have never tried to repeat it so will have to consider it a coincidence for now.

However, I saw something similar happening after a few weeks of feeding juveniles nothing but 54% protein, 17% fat salmon starter feed. A few started dying, I could not find any parasites, and their body cavity was full of fat. When the diet was changed to flakes and rabbit food the fat disappeared and no more died. Again, it could have been a coincidence. A controlled experiment would be needed to confirm it.

-steve
goldrush
Hello Steve

What an interesting finding good_very.gif I'm not too sure of what your fingerlings may have died of.But this maybe a case of steatitis,a yellow fat disease which occurs when fed exclusively of aquatic products or related species of high fat content in which Vit E seem to be lacking in such a diet.Try google steatitis for more details if that interest you biggrin.gif


PS: A point to note above is to feed a VARIED DIET and not an exclusive one peace.gif
bekko
Thank you very much for that lead Goldrush. I need to do a lot more reading on this, but it seems very possible there is some connection. In addition to vitamin E deficiency, they say steatitis is associated with rancid fats in the feed.

The salmon starter feed is very oily. I was using it because a 20 kg bag only cost about $40 US delivered. However, it took me many months to use up 20 kg. The bag was too big to put in the refrigerator and it is very possible the vitamin E had deteriorated and the fats turned rancid.

By the way, I was also raising guppies at that time and they were being given the same feed. After finding the fat deposits in the goldfish I opened up some guppies and found they had fat deposits around the intestine too. I then checked some feral guppies in a ditch which were not being fed and did not find any fat. It was at that point I decided the oily feed was the problem. At the time, I assumed the problem was the high fat content but you are making me understand that it may not have been the fat content but the feed deterioration that was the problem.

I need to be more careful. A friend who reads here repackages her feed in smaller packets and freezes them until she is ready to use one.

-steve
d_golem
Just commenting on bro desireless' comment on the tilted tail. It doesn't look like the tail is tilted, but the lower right lobe does go down slightly lower than the left one.
acurrent
just wondering where you were able to get this ranchu, i've never seen em around in sydney
d_golem
I live in Perth and I got it from a local fish store. They periodically got shipment of Thai fish from their agent in Singapore.
GlassGoldfish
Hey golem! Cool fish! Awesome curve on that backbone, very nice tail: how it's good n' tall, then flattens out a lot. Would like to see an update where it's tummy has rounded some . . . . . good_very.gif

Seems equal to the recent batches of Thai coming into usa at $130 (have you seen these?). Course, everything is more expensive here since dumb-ass bush managed to tank the dollar.
small_ranchu
QUOTE(GlassGoldfish @ Fri, 20 Jul 2007 9:22 pm) *

Course, everything is more expensive here since dumb-ass bush managed to tank the dollar.

oop, somebody is telling the truth.... happydance1.gif happydance1.gif happydance1.gif
d_golem
QUOTE(GlassGoldfish @ Sat, 21 Jul 2007 9:22 am) *

Hey golem! Cool fish! Awesome curve on that backbone, very nice tail: how it's good n' tall, then flattens out a lot. Would like to see an update where it's tummy has rounded some . . . . . good_very.gif

Seems equal to the recent batches of Thai coming into usa at $130 (have you seen these?). Course, everything is more expensive here since dumb-ass bush managed to tank the dollar.

Thx mate.

No I haven't seen any of those. Where can I see them? Have u got pics of them or is it from Neo Ranchu?

PS: Must be from Neo Ranchu. All their ranchus are $130. They are 1/2-1 inch bigger than mine though, and maybe the colours are more vivid. Having said that, I don't want to pay $130 US dollars (about $160-170 OZ dollars) plus shipping for them.
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