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jhansolo
Finally ... I managed to talk to my wife and convince her that this little hobby of mine will further enhance our family life. I got the approval for a 24 x 12 x 12 - 14(H).

Anyone in Hougang aera can help to seed a new canister for me for a week.
I'm thinking of getting eheim ecco 2231.

Cheers
CyberET
its better to start new wor.. u won't know what extra stuffs that might come with the "seeded" bio material
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(jhansolo @ Mon 08 Mar 2004 01:46 PM)
Finally ... I managed to talk to my wife and convince her that this little hobby of mine will further enhance our family life.  I got the approval for a 24 x 12 x 12 - 14(H). 

Anyone in Hougang aera can help to seed a new canister for me for a week.
I'm thinking of getting eheim ecco 2231.

Cheers

If you have not bought the ECCO, don't.

I have read nothing but poor reviews on it. Supposingly the self-priming handle doesn't work well.

It does come complete with sponge media, which matures quickly. Meanwhile like ET said, better cycle yourself with some cheap and healthy fishes.

The 221x series is better... but more difficult to prime. It has a better re-sale value becoz more pple like that series.

Heck... just use 2 sponge filter and skip the canister entirely.

Also, if you have approval for a 2 feet tank, go with one with a 18 inches depth and keep the height at 12 inches (if you can find such a tank). It's better to keep goldfish in shallow water.

Oh yeah, don't forget to paste black or white omaya paper and shoot lots of pics to show us your fishes! Forget those pinkist aqaurium lamp too; get a daylight PL lamp for those numerious studio shots you will be taking. happydance.gif
jhansolo
Funny, after I post, I happens to read HB post on the ecco.

I'll look at the next inline 2213.

As for the filteration system, I'm thinking of using a OHF together with the canister.

As for the height, I used to have a 24x18x18 and she didn't like - she made me throw it away the last time, so I'm going to play it safe and not push the limit.

The main complaint the last time as I found out, she got jealous that the goldfish got more attention then her.

That was a combination of high workload, a troublesome system, plus elder girl into primary 1 and chinese new year.

Spoke to my elder girl and she missed the goldfish dearly. So I have to create a balance.

The reason for the seeding is because from my experience, the cycling time is where it take the most of my time & attention. I have to reduce that impact.

As for the quality of the goldfish, I hope not to disappoint folks here, as I'm afraid I'm not the type to go out of the way to get swee swee ones, I like them just the same. I read up alot about the selection styles will try to keep those in mind when I'm going to buy them, it is a family affair. As for photography, I'll try as I'm having a lousy Panasonic digital camera for Fish photography.

Thanks
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(jhansolo @ Mon 08 Mar 2004 03:09 PM)
Funny, after I post, I happens to read HB post on the ecco.

I'll look at the next inline 2213...

Thanks

How about like dat.

Don't buy the 2213 or any canister filter yet. Just get two sponge filters and hook them up as shown.

You do see my canister system in the pic but that's becoz the tank is seriously disgustingly over-stocked. Keep just 2 goldfish (quality ones if you can afford) in your new 2x1x1 (made by FivaPlan perhaps) filtered by the sponge filters will give you more quality time with the wifey and daughter since you'll need spend less time maintaining it.

The sponge filter, somehow, can mature within a week too so you can get down to appreciating your fishes quickly.

You can read more about sponge filter in this long thread.

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HappyBuddha
Goosh... I just counted the number of fishy in that 2 feet (55 litres) tank of mine; 12!

fainted.
Inxs
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Mon 08 Mar 2004 03:47 PM)
How about like dat.

Don't buy the 2213 or any canister filter yet.  Just get two sponge filters and hook them up as shown.

You do see my canister system in the pic but that's becoz the tank is seriously disgustingly over-stocked.  Keep just 2 goldfish (quality ones if you can afford) in your new 2x1x1 (made by FivaPlan perhaps) filtered by the sponge filters will give you more quality time with the wifey and daughter since you'll need spend less time maintaining it.

The sponge filter, somehow, can mature within a week too so you can get down to appreciating your fishes quickly.

You can read more about sponge filter in this long thread.

IS that a camel overthere? rolleyes.gif
jhansolo
This is seriously interesting. I actually stop work and read the long thread. My goodness ... it actually work.

So to clarify, the weekly schedule is change 20% aged water and squeeze the sponge.

I'm thinking of getting a Rena 100 is that enough to power this setup?

Are you serious that you have 12 in your 2ft? beg2.gif

Cheers better get back to work, if not tonite 12mn also can't finish.
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(jhansolo @ Mon 08 Mar 2004 04:46 PM)
This is seriously interesting.  I actually stop work and read the long thread.  My goodness ... it actually work.

So to clarify, the weekly schedule is change 20% aged water and squeeze the sponge.

I'm thinking of getting a Rena 100 is that enough to power this setup?

Are you serious that you have 12 in your 2ft? beg2.gif

Cheers better get back to work, if not tonite 12mn also can't finish.

Er... who said 20% weekly ( mad.gif shirely!)? That overstock tank I change 100% twice a week. For your new sparsely stock tank, 80-90% a week will do. Hey pal, it's only 55 litres. That's just two pails of water. Massive water change is easy and quick. I can do it in less than 10 minutes. wink.gif

The Rena is an excellent choice. A fren swears by it. He saw me cleaning my airpump and laughed that he used to do it too but since getting a Rena (I don't know which model) he hasn't done it leow.

Since you don't own a air pump now, spring for the expensive Rena; afterall, I have saved you a bundle on the canister you no longer need to buy. biggrin.gif

Yeah, I had 12 then. The record was 15. biggrin.gif

I was a bad boy.

Ok ok, I still am. tongue.gif
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(Sifu @ Mon 08 Mar 2004 04:15 PM)
IS that a  camel overthere? rolleyes.gif

Simi camel?

I smoke Winston for as long as I can remember leow.

You small boy cannot enjoy smoking.

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HappyBuddha
QUOTE(jhansolo @ Mon 08 Mar 2004 04:46 PM)
So to clarify, the weekly schedule is change 20% aged water and squeeze the sponge.

I missed out the aged water thingy...

Don't listen to shirely, and the misleading prank Mr. D was playing on her. tongue.gif

Aging water NO LONGER WORKS in Singapore because our garman added chloramine into our tap water. Chloramine CANNOT dissipitate into air. Hence aging is a waste of time. Always use good anti-chlorine, such as Genesis, to condition your water. It will break down Chloramine into Chlorine and Ammonia, nearly instantly. You age water... your wife sure to scream at you for nothing paying attention to her but a pail of water instead. mad.gif
jhansolo
My deepest apologies for not being able to show up yesterday to thank some of the people here who had given me invaluable advice.

Today is day 5 into my 2 sponge filter setup.
My config, Nisso NS 106 which is 2 x 12 x 14H, Rena 200 with a 2 way stainless steel splitter. 1 x 5-plan 2ft light. 2 small pot of Plants.

My live stock, 1 x long tail fan tail golden "normal goldfish" and 1 x fan long tail ryukin.

Just tested the water today, NH3 & NH4 = 0, NO2 = 0, NO3=<10ppm, PH = 6.8

I must say I'm total dumb founded with this low tech solution. The only problem there are some floating particles which disturbs me quite a bit. I think I will turn on the 2213 to polish the water this weekend after changing water. The sponge should still give me this good parameters right?

Thanks to all especially HB
CyberET
buffer the water smile.gif
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(jhansolo @ Thu 25 Mar 2004 11:30 AM)
I must say I'm total dumb founded with this low tech solution.  The only problem there are some floating particles which disturbs me quite a bit.  I think I will turn on the 2213 to polish the water this weekend after changing water.  The sponge should still give me this good parameters right?

Those floating particles are part and parcel of a goldfish tank. Try putting your sponge filters at corners so that under and behind them are calm areas for large debris to settle down and hidden away from your fishes. With the 2213, you will get even more particles floating around because of the current generated.
Seacucumber
QUOTE(jhansolo @ Thu 25 Mar 2004 11:30 AM)
My deepest apologies for not being able to show up yesterday to thank some of the people here who had given me invaluable advice.

Today is day 5 into my 2 sponge filter setup. 
My config, Nisso NS 106 which is 2 x 12 x 14H, Rena 200 with a 2 way stainless steel splitter. 1 x 5-plan 2ft light.  2 small pot of Plants.

My live stock, 1 x long tail fan tail golden "normal goldfish" and 1 x fan long tail ryukin. 

Just tested the water today, NH3 & NH4 = 0, NO2 = 0, NO3=<10ppm, PH = 6.8

I must say I'm total dumb founded with this low tech solution.  The only problem there are some floating particles which disturbs me quite a bit.  I think I will turn on the 2213 to polish the water this weekend after changing water.  The sponge should still give me this good parameters right?

Thanks to all especially HB

its ok....try to come on the nest meetup.... laugh.gif

btw, the 2 sponge filter setup looks cool
jhansolo
QUOTE(CyberET @ Thu 25 Mar 2004 11:34 AM)
buffer the water smile.gif

I'm thinking about that, but I'll be doing a water change tomorrow and the water from PUB at my place is PH 8, so I suppose that will push the PH up when it settle down.

Will update as I go along, hope it will be helpful for newbies on the setup.

2 Sponge filter is the way to go. good_very.gif
CyberET
buffer the water using baking soda

anyone know where to get air tubing cheap? in those rolls
heh
Inxs
QUOTE(CyberET @ Fri 26 Mar 2004 07:28 PM)
buffer the water using baking soda

anyone know where to get air tubing cheap? in those rolls
heh

Buffer the water is refering to KH or PH Har?
Seacucumber
QUOTE(CyberET @ Fri 26 Mar 2004 07:28 PM)
buffer the water using baking soda

anyone know where to get air tubing cheap? in those rolls
heh

wah....you pulling the airtube outdoor izit??
try c328 or bedok...
just found out from my friend that they sell Ai M autofeeder at only $17.50!
CyberET
lor, pulling airtube from the hiblow to my tubs biggrin.gif

ooo.. bedok selling the auto feeder? or c328?
Seacucumber
bedok!
na hiah....
bought my 1st one from Seah....$25
bought my 2nd and 3rd one from C328....$20
now bedok $17.50!

also Interpet Medication $6!

cheap cheap cheap happydance1.gif
CyberET
quick!! the exact address for the bedok lfs! biggrin.gif
HappyBuddha
Er... TPY69 last shop the autofeeder is lagi cheap, $17 nia.

Interpet is $6 too.

OxyCure small can is $4.

But the goldfish are pathetic.
Seacucumber
QUOTE(CyberET @ Sat 27 Mar 2004 12:06 AM)
quick!! the exact address for the bedok lfs! biggrin.gif

same vincinity as the bedok Bak Chor Mee....
near the police station there lor....
blk 85 i think....
Seacucumber
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Sat 27 Mar 2004 05:56 AM)
Er... TPY69 last shop the autofeeder is lagi cheap, $17 nia.

Interpet is $6 too.

OxyCure small can is $4.

But the goldfish are pathetic.

fwahhh...... beg2.gif
jhansolo
Just to share my lousy fish.

But they are proof that 2 sponge filter works. HB rocks! beg2.gif

Here's my Liberty with DIY sponge filter

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Taken ET advice and buffer with coral chips and soda, now water at ph7

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domho7
QUOTE(g-string @ Sat 27 Mar 2004 07:59 AM)
same vincinity as the bedok Bak Chor Mee....
near the police station there lor....
blk 85 i think....

wah next time I go bedok whack accessories liao.
Interpet S$6 ah wah liao eh cheap ah. shiok.gif

C328 slash Jebao filters 3018 to S$69 (that was last week)
Seacucumber
QUOTE(domho7 @ Mon 05 Apr 2004 10:17 PM)
wah next time I go bedok whack accessories liao.
Interpet S$6 ah wah liao eh cheap ah.  shiok.gif

C328 slash Jebao filters 3018 to S$69 (that was last week)

eh....bro....
u seems to be the violent type..... hmm.gif

u BUY them.....not whack them....
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nismoman77
QUOTE(CyberET @ Mon 08 Mar 2004 01:50 PM)
its better to start new wor.. u won't know what extra stuffs that might come with the "seeded" bio material

duno much abt canister filters but Bio hm n EH subtrate is gd i can vouch!! I c results,the water is more stable!! beg2.gif
jhansolo
My heartfelt thanks to the group at Live!, HB and cyber

My fish has grown considerably.

Last water change was without salt and everything is wonderful. Kids love them, wife beginning to like them, over feeding them at times. I'm a happy man.

Just in case anyone likes to see their growth

http://www.arofanatics.com/members/jhansolo/goldfish/

Ugly fish - bewarned

My conclusion ...

Sponge filter (guppy brand) simply superb.
Canister - Eheim 2213 I can't say more its great
Eheim Liberty - Very good mech filter, handles the shit issue together with my tom battery cleaner, just keeping everything clean.
Tom Dive Clean 85B - My prefilter for Eheim 2213, the secret of less maintenance for my 2213 and my prime assist.
Rena Air 200 - simply the best power for my 2 sponge filter.

Lionhead - the magic to the coloration and growth of my very ugly fish. Seriously!
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