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max
For your kind comments & advise, thanks.

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HappyBuddha
WOW! My dream tank!

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How you do it man? unsure.gif
max
Thanks HB, thats is very encouraging.

If you are refering to the algae coated on the glass, I actually adopt the idea from planted tank aquarium. Using 2 white flourescent tube & with the correct duration, plant life will flourish in the tank.

White light will tell you the actual color of your goldfish rather than pink lighting which most LFS recommend. wink.gif
caster
QUOTE(maxpeng @ Thu 18 Mar 2004 04:10 PM)
Thanks HB, thats is very encouraging.

If you are refering to the algae coated on the glass, I actually adopt the idea from planted tank aquarium. Using 2 white flourescent tube & with the correct duration, plant life will flourish in the tank.

White light will tell you the actual color of your goldfish rather than pink lighting which most LFS recommend. wink.gif

Hi

nice long tail ryukins

regarding the green aglae on the tank... I have being trying to do that for a long time liao... I have 3x 4ft plant FL tube shining 8hrs a day for 5 mths liao... don;t even have a bit of algae sad.gif

BTW are u running on a bio system ? how is your ammonia level in your tank? zero ??

hehehhe teach us what is your secret forumla leh wink.gif
BlueBubble
QUOTE(maxpeng @ Thu 18 Mar 2004 04:10 PM)
Thanks HB, thats is very encouraging.

If you are refering to the algae coated on the glass, I actually adopt the idea from planted tank aquarium. Using 2 white flourescent tube & with the correct duration, plant life will flourish in the tank.

White light will tell you the actual color of your goldfish rather than pink lighting which most LFS recommend. wink.gif

Very nice! good_very.gif

looks like green carpet in the tank yes.gif
but will the algae trap dirt??
max
QUOTE(caster @ Thu 18 Mar 2004 04:20 PM)


regarding the green aglae on the tank... I have being trying to do that for a long time liao... I have 3x 4ft plant FL tube shining 8hrs a day for 5 mths liao... don;t even have a bit of algae  sad.gif

BTW are u running on a bio system ? how is your ammonia level in your tank? zero ??


I've tried 8 hrs a day, same, no algae. later I try 10 hrs, got improvement now I greedy, I increase to 13 hrs... better. good.gif

I've no PH/kh meter nor any ammonia kit chk at home becos I don't believe in them but I religiously change at least 50% of water once every four days.

As you nsee my style of fish keeping is very basic laugh.gif
Seacucumber
hey Max!
very inspiring!
awesome longtail ryukins also....
thick tail....unlike most that are long and thin...

although your fish keeping style is very basic, the results proved that you are on the right path....keep it up man!
HappyBuddha
max, I remember you have a Ehiem "6668" but I only see a small sponge filter. Is that all the filtration you have? unsure.gif
max
paiseh leh, it is ehiem 2228, mistake on my earlier post. blush.gif blush.gif . It is still running, but I tot it would be good to add another sponge filter for better biological boost.

Just to add on to my earlier post regarding the duration of lighting, it is 13 hrs continuous (no break).
max
QUOTE(BlueBubble @ Thu 18 Mar 2004 04:29 PM)


but will the algae trap dirt??

The dirt & poos will get onto it but will not be trapped. The algae is like a fir coat.I will net up whatever poos that settled on it with a few swipe. happydance1.gif
desireless
Wah.. dam chio.
If got time maybe you can add a "How to cultivate carpetted wall algae in tank from scratch" stuff in the FAQ wink.gif
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(maxpeng @ Thu 18 Mar 2004 05:44 PM)
paiseh leh, it is ehiem 2228, mistake on my earlier post. blush.gif  blush.gif . It is still running, but I tot it would be good to add another sponge filter for better biological boost.

Just to add on to my earlier post regarding the duration of lighting, it is 13 hrs continuous (no break).

On closer examination I can see the funnel of your canister filter in the second pic.

I also see your sponge tower filter. biggrin.gif Cool!

I definitely prefer white lights too. Those typical pinkish lamps in LFS are so... fake.

How long did it took the alage to completely covered the wall and floor?
LASERGUY
Cool tank manz !

Huh, stupid of me, why did I think of that since I have a few spare plant tubes?
In addition to that, I also used liquid fertilizer on my planted tanks, whenever I overdosed this type of algae would appear on and off.

So, instead of carry out green water generation, probably I will try GA next !!!! wink.gif
max
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Thu 18 Mar 2004 06:21 PM)

I definitely prefer white lights too.  Those typical pinkish lamps in LFS are so... fake. 

How long did it took the alage to completely covered the wall and floor?

I stopped using those "lorong" light for many years now mainly bcos I prefer to see the true color of my goldfish. Picture turnout better in white light too.

It takes 3-4 months for it to cover the 2 surface.

I remember that day when I bot the lights, the LFS guy asked me "why you want algae in the tank when everyone if trying hard to prevent it" ?.

Thanks for the compliments.
mountain
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It takes 3-4 months for it to cover the 2 surface.


mad.gif it took me 3-4 mth to get my own green water , now if GA take 3~4 , that means i need 4~8 mth .. wink.gif Dun even think of it Mountain
CyberET
hehe.. coat 4 surfaces and leave the front clear, even more chio biggrin.gif
Seacucumber
a bit hard to achieve leh....
haiz....mi better concentrate on setting up another green water tub....
just to house 2 of my most chio ranchu! laugh.gif
HappyBuddha
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mountain
yei, am i glad i have them now.. happydance.gif

remmember 2 weeks back my lamp went weak and the green water collapse, hehe.. i restarted the next day i got my new lamp .. nowadays I have a continous supply of green water, but it is an ill-practise and not recommended hmm.gif

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HB now also got a hard time cultivating green water. He started last month till now still got no green water
<-- poke poke

i am not too worried, he prob started off doing some new experiments on his green water and might just come back 1 mth later with a patented method and all of us might just have to pay him ... Let me see .. A Vacumn packed Dried green water powder.. and with Doraemon picture.
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(mountain @ Thu 18 Mar 2004 10:48 PM)
i am not too worried, he prob started off doing some new experiments on his green water and might just come back 1 mth later with a patented method and all of us might just have to pay him ... Let me see .. A Vacumn packed Dried green water powder.. and with Doraemon picture.

No lah.. no new experiment leow. The last one I fooled around with was fishless green water cultivation. I know it will work but overlooked aerating the tub. The pellets (ammonia producer) fermented. Stinko man.

I need a new challenge - lush algae carpeting. biggrin.gif
HappyBuddha
Max... have your Ryukins ever spawn?

I would like to know if the eggs will stick on the floor, making removal difficult unless you want to rip off the algae.
HappyBuddha
Max again...

I see you have one of those magnetic glass cleaner.

I'm sure you see it to remove those... translucent thingy that stick on the internal glass surface.

I would like to know, from your experience, leaving them on the glass is a pre-requisite for the alage to flourish?
desireless
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Fri 19 Mar 2004 05:53 PM)
Max again...

I see you have one of those magnetic glass cleaner.

I'm sure you see it to remove those... translucent thingy that stick on the internal glass surface.

I would like to know, from your experience, leaving them on the glass is a pre-requisite for the alage to flourish?

Halor, Max, how you create it ah? Got use any "seed" or not? Or simply let the translucent thingy grow and it pop up to be the beautiful one you have?
max
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Fri 19 Mar 2004 05:51 PM)
Max... have your Ryukins ever spawn?

I would like to know if the eggs will stick on the floor, making removal difficult unless you want to rip off the algae.

Yes they do spawn, especially after feeding them with bloodworm (their Viagra). Normally they will pick & eat the eggs almost immediately from the furry algae which in a way a form of "chiat por" to regain their energy after a vigorous exercise.

The algae will still be intact.
max
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Fri 19 Mar 2004 05:53 PM)
Max again...

I see you have one of those magnetic glass cleaner.

I'm sure you see it to remove those... translucent thingy that stick on the internal glass surface.

I would like to know, from your experience, leaving them on the glass is a pre-requisite for the alage to flourish?

Oh yes, the magnetic glass cleaner is to remove the initial slime coat on the two side glass which I think act as a base for the algae. With correct lighting intensity & exposure level the slime coating will turn into a light thin shade of green almost overnight.

No lah, no need for seeding. smile.gif

Do you strongly advise that I cover the 2 side glass as well? unsure.gif
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(LASERGUY @ Thu 18 Mar 2004 06:34 PM)
In addition to that, I also used liquid fertilizer on my planted tanks, whenever I overdosed this type of algae would appear on and off.

Yo, could you recommend a good liquid fertizlier please? I need to dose the fertilizer in my tank as I change my filtered water so often, nitrate is never more than 5 ppm. The 4 feet tank has 110 watts of PL lamp (about 10 hours a day) but I never get a spot of algae. mad.gif
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(max @ Sat 20 Mar 2004 09:18 AM)
Yes they do spawn, especially after feeding them with bloodworm (their Viagra). Normally they will pick & eat the eggs almost immediately from the furry algae which in a way a form of "chiat por" to regain their energy after a vigorous exercise.

The algae will still be intact.

My ranchus eat their eggs while the eggs are still free falling. Once the eggs are on the floor, most stick on the glass floor and can't be eaten. In fact, I have to use a sponge to scrap them off. I'm glad no such problem on your kind of tank. smile.gif
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(max @ Sat 20 Mar 2004 09:28 AM)
Do you strongly advise that I cover the 2 side glass as well? unsure.gif

I think that's personal preference. I will attempt to cover 1 side becoz it's my IOS compartment, which I have been wanting to cover up for asthetic reason and to provide a zero light environment for the BB. smile.gif
max
Liquid fertilizer sounds like a good idea, then my algae fur can grow into
algae 'chow' liao.

No harm trying, I'll be getting one myself & try.

Will wait for Lazerguy's recommendation.
desireless
QUOTE(max @ Sat 20 Mar 2004 09:28 AM)

Do you strongly advise that I cover the 2 side glass as well? unsure.gif

I think your tank with 2 walls of algae looks very good liao. so swee man! good_very.gif

Anyway, do you need to build up ammonia level like green water for this nice algae?
LASERGUY
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Sat 20 Mar 2004 01:57 PM)
Yo, could you recommend a good liquid fertizlier please? I need to dose the fertilizer in my tank as I change my filtered water so often, nitrate is never more than 5 ppm.  The 4 feet tank has 110 watts of PL lamp (about 10 hours a day) but I never get a spot of algae.  mad.gif

There are many type of liquid fertilizer in the market, by JBL, AZOO, Dennerle etc.
I am using Dennerle A1 Daily Liquid Fertilizer.
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(max @ Sat 20 Mar 2004 09:28 AM)
With correct  lighting intensity &  exposure level the slime coating will turn into a light thin shade of green almost overnight.

Sigh. It's been almost 3 days and the "base" is still translucent white. If anything, it actually looks a little brown. sad.gif

QUOTE(LASERGUY @ Mon 22 Mar 2004 12:28 AM)
There are many type of liquid fertilizer in the market, by JBL, AZOO, Dennerle etc.
I am using Dennerle A1 Daily Liquid Fertilizer.

Woo hoo! I'll go get the A1 asap. Thanks for the recommendation.

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max
QUOTE(LASERGUY @ Mon 22 Mar 2004 12:28 AM)
There are many type of liquid fertilizer in the market, by JBL, AZOO, Dennerle etc.
I am using Dennerle A1 Daily Liquid Fertilizer.

I chk out some liquid fertilizer at the LFS, read the directions before buying, most stress never to use it if you are having active carbon in your filter, so be caution. smile.gif
max
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Mon 22 Mar 2004 06:27 AM)
Sigh.  It's been almost 3 days and the "base" is still translucent white.  If anything, it actually looks a little brown.  sad.gif



HB may I know what kind of lighting are you using & how many tube etc.

I am using the Arcardia brand x2 tubes of 3 feet .

Duration time is 13 hrs.
max
QUOTE(desireless @ Sat 20 Mar 2004 07:03 PM)


Anyway, do you need to build up ammonia level like green water for this nice algae?

I am not too sure how much ammonia is needed but can safely say it is essential, as long as there is waste from the fish, ammonia will be there to serve as a nutrient for the plant (aglae). It is all part of an eco-system.

Cultivation of green water need high ammonia level meh? I tot put a tub with fishes outside under the sun, naturally there will be green water, sori I,m quite ignorant on this topic blush.gif
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(max @ Mon 22 Mar 2004 07:59 AM)
HB may I know what kind of lighting are you using & how many tube etc.

I am using the Arcardia brand x2 tubes of 3 feet .

Duration time is 13 hrs.

The lamps I'm using is actually the same PL lamp I use to cultivate green water. biggrin.gif It's a 2 feet DIY 55 watts 7000 Kelvin PL lamp. I have two of them, and both are used for the four feet tank. It's bright, trust me. wink.gif

I turned it on around 8 am and off it by 7 am unless I want to take a look at nite too.
HappyBuddha
Did not have a chance to visit LFS but asked allan to pick up a liquid fertilizer from AC. It costs $12.00 (300 ml) compared to $55 for 100 ml of Dennerle A1. I hope it is as good as the A1. sad.gif

http://www.up-aqua.com/ee-up-main-all.htm

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Seacucumber
hmm....do u guys think a single tube 30 watt Boyu light is enough to grow some algae if i switch on long hours??
void
QUOTE(g-string @ Wed 24 Mar 2004 05:44 PM)
hmm....do u guys think a single tube 30 watt Boyu light is enough to grow some algae if i switch on long hours??

i think depend on the size of the tank... i'm using 20 watt lamp for my 1m in length tank... switch it on 24 hours a day... green water naturally brewed... some algae also grow on the side of the tank... hmm... if i use 2X20 watt lamps.. maybe faster loh... smile.gif
LASERGUY
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Wed 24 Mar 2004 01:01 PM)
Did not have a chance to visit LFS but asked allan to pick up a liquid fertilizer from AC.  It costs $12.00 (300 ml) compared to $55 for 100 ml of Dennerle A1.  I hope it is as good as the A1.  sad.gif

http://www.up-aqua.com/ee-up-main-all.htm

Buddha buddha, if I am not wrong, this only consists iron nia.... not other elements.....
Seacucumber
QUOTE(void @ Wed 24 Mar 2004 06:16 PM)
i think depend on the size of the tank... i'm using 20 watt lamp for my 1m in length tank... switch it on 24 hours a day... green water naturally brewed... some algae also grow on the side of the tank... hmm... if i use 2X20 watt lamps.. maybe faster loh...  smile.gif

mine is a 4ft tank....
hmm..maybe i try.... tongue.gif
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(LASERGUY @ Wed 24 Mar 2004 06:27 PM)
Buddha buddha, if I am not wrong, this only consists iron nia.... not other elements.....

Alamak!

I think it was Seah who recommended this product to Allan. The instruction does seem to highlight it contains lots of Iron, but it also mentioned "and other valuable trace elements." But then and again, the bottle also say to use this and "Flora nurtiment" together. How come Seah never ask Allan to buy that leh. mad.gif

Kekeke. I call Allan now...
HappyBuddha
Sigh. It's been 3 days since I started dosing the liquid fertilizer.

So far I could only get brown algae. They are everywhere. I finally understand why bro mountain doesn't like IOS tank; some algae are in the most obsecure hard to reach place. Sigh

What this tells me is the fertilizer is working in providing nutrient but the light source is not bright enough to sustain its growth. Previously the tank is always low on nitrate and algae couldn't thrive in it.

I'll have to upgrade the lamps with new PL tubes before I try again.

I'm happy to note the fishes don't act any differently despite the addition of the fertilizer. I was ready to stop dosing if I observe any strange behavior.
max
Highly likely to be the lights. Mine was change last sept, wonder how long can it last before my algae start to turn brown.

HB, how long can the light tube last before it start to lose its brightness? Btw I on it for 13 hrs a day, thanks.
HappyBuddha
I have no idea how long a typical PL lamp last but I believe the output can fall by 30% in 6 months and in a years time 50% left.

Hmm... come to think about it, I'll compare mine (I'll find out how old they are later) with a new piece soon. Maybe I can get the answer by visually inspecting the difference...
chanB
Hi members,

Need some advise.
I was try to get green wall using 30W DL tube. 15Hrs/day. Change 30% of water every 3 days.

1 week later there are slight brown and green algae. Is the brown algae OK? will they turn green? Or should i rework the whole process? unsure.gif THanks.

Chan
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(chanB @ Wed 05 May 2004 10:29 AM)
1 week later there are slight brown and green algae. Is the brown algae OK? will they turn green? Or should i rework the whole process? unsure.gif THanks.

Chan

Brown algae will not turn green. They were actually green but becoz there isn't enough light they die and became brown in colour. sad.gif
chanB
HB,

Thanks, should i clear them up?
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