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Ray Ng
hi.gif I have tried keeping Panda Moors a few times and most of them ended up being "bleached"; meaning the black color disappears as they grow (usually takes about 6 months). Is there some tips on maintaining the panda look of these moors?

I have one Panda moor kept in an outdoor tub with algae wall and another kept in a sheltered fish tank. Both of them turn white after a while. I was just wondering what could be the right environment for pandas. My setup all uses coral chips and the ph is quite stable.

Just an extra note; panda kept in the outdoor tub begins to show "flesh coloration tint under” its white skin area. I'm not sure whether this phenomenon was a result from feeding too much from the algae wall.

Hope someone can enlighten me sweatingbullets.gif
bekko
I am through with all pandas and red/black/white metallic scale. They are always a disappointment. It seems like black on these fish is just temporarily-arrested demalanization and it is not a matter of "if" but "when" it will disappear. Has anyone ever seen a big 3-4 year-old panda that still had good black ???

-steve
desireless
At this moment, it is still not possible to maintain the colour of panda (black/white) dragoneye that you can find easily here. They will be reduced to full white sooner or later.


But all hope is not lost. I have not yet seen a fully grown panda ranchu (crystal ranchu) that Tunghoi has bred 2years ago but from the way they are engineered, the panda colouration is supposed to stay.
Sonny
This is very curious to me. As I understand it the black in black telescopes (Moors) is supposed to be the most stable black of any other variety. I wonder why the presence of any other color causes it to go away with time. I have a 1 year old fry whose mother was a black moor and father was a tri-color (red/white/black) telescope. The fry is currently a panda coloration but it does appear as though the black is fading from the belly towards its back.
bekko
Sonny, in my limited experience, the black moors will stay black, the red-and-black telescopes will remain red-and-black for quite a while but are prone to loose the black, the red-and-black-and-white telescopes will turn grey-and-brown, and the black-and-white telescopes will turn grey-and-white. If I'm not mistaken, the metallic white is a relatively recent development in telescopes. The white could have appeared as a mutation or it could have been bought in for selective breeding from another variety. Since oranda have the same problem, maybe the white was bred into telescopes from oranda. I too am curious about the history/process. Perhaps the gene for white and the gene for the unstable blue-black are somehow linked.

-steve
hermanto
I do not know much either about this problem, but I heard before that increasing the water hardness will strenghten the black color in koi. I guess the same should apply in goldfish? And I always try to employ this tip when selecting young pandas (if we have the liberty to select), that is: choose the one with as little white color as possible. Hopefully when it grows up, as the white area becomes larger, we will still have a good percentage of black color in it.
I asked a breeder friend if we can enhance the black color by crossing panda with blackmoore, and he said he did it before. It worked, but, and this is the drawback, the young fish will mostly look totally black, just like blackmoores, and the white will come out very late. This prevent the breeder to sell the young offsprings as pandas (cause no apparent white was seen). People couldnot see it as pandas. And the breeder stopped doing such things for it is not profitable for him. I myself have no experience to confirm it, but surely this is interesting smile.gif At least this might enable us to get a panda color in a mature fish smile.gif

Regards,
Hermanto
Sonny
QUOTE(hermanto @ Thu, 27 Mar 2008 6:23 am) *

I asked a breeder friend if we can enhance the black color by crossing panda with blackmoore, and he said he did it before. It worked, but, and this is the drawback, the young fish will mostly look totally black, just like blackmoores, and the white will come out very late. This prevent the breeder to sell the young offsprings as pandas (cause no apparent white was seen). People couldnot see it as pandas. And the breeder stopped doing such things for it is not profitable for him. I myself have no experience to confirm it, but surely this is interesting smile.gif At least this might enable us to get a panda color in a mature fish smile.gif

This makes sense to me. It must be difficult, as a breeder, to have to wait so long to see if a fish will develop the characteristic you are striving for.
shimark
Can post a picture of this Panda Moors? Is it a goldfish? Thanks
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