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sheringam
How much do bros here spent on fish keeping expenses? Cam give feedbacks?
Seacucumber
much lesser nowadays with places like Darwin in the spotlight.....hehehe..

probably it goes this way (per month)

Hikari Lionhead x 3 = $20.70
Hikari Wheatgerm x 1 = $5.00
Chroma x 3 = $15.00
Genesis x 3 = $12.00

total = $52.70

on a 3 month basis Hikari 32 cube BW one box = $10.50

well tats about it.....
maybe add $10 per month for water bill lor.....
Allan
I used to spend a lot on Genesis, and opted for anti-chlorine crystals because it's good and cheap.

Genesis $7 / 7,500 = $0.09 per 100 litres
Crystal $5 /10,000 = $0.05 per 100 litres

Now that Genesis only costs $4 at Darwin, it's as cost effective as crystals! Amazing.

Genesis $4 / 7,500 = $0.053 per 100 litres
CyberET
is that based on 4x overdose for genesis? biggrin.gif
Seacucumber
hmm....in fact i took a big risk and dose exactly....
nothing happen leh....
the fishes look normal and fine after water change....
Allan
QUOTE(CyberET @ Tue 27 Apr 2004 07:46 PM)
is that based on 4x overdose for genesis? biggrin.gif

Is it a good idea to overdose by 4X? I normally overdose by 2X and so far so good. The figure of 7500 litres for a 4 fl oz bottle is given by Genesis. Yes, I still use Genesis when I want to dechlorinate a small volume of water such as for a QT tub, or an enamel basin etc.
desireless
I adopt the 4x method for Genesis leh. It say 1 drop per gallon.
1 gallon almost 4 litres.
Then 4x dosage for USA-to-Singapore water standard

So I am using 1 drop of Genesis per litre of water
Is this correct, no?

I have realised my fishes nowadays quite listless after water change. I suspect the water got problem... maybe my anti-chlorine too much or too little... How about rest?

As for maintainance wise, I spend about
Hikari x1 - $6.90
Chroma x1 - $5.50
Tubi - $8
Genesis 1/2 - $2
Medication - $12

Almost $35 per month ah
Seacucumber
wah...your fish every month sick ah?

btw hor, tubi $8! you siao ah?
$8 is hell a lot of tubi wor....u feed tubi meh??
no wonder you need medication every month.....hehehehe....
Allan
QUOTE(desireless @ Tue 27 Apr 2004 08:35 PM)
I have realised my fishes nowadays quite listless after water change. I suspect the water got problem... maybe my anti-chlorine too much or too little... How about rest?

I have came across bros saying the same thing but myself have not experience it. If anything, the fishes are probably more active after water change.

Did you adjust or equalize the pH?

Maybe you can try dosing Genesis correctly, or at most by 2X?

The only time I find my fish listing after water change is when the water temperature difference is too great, but they snap out of it within 15-20 minutes. So I always make sure the water temperature is the same before and after, sometimes I even use ice cubes to bring it down quickly when I change water on a hot day.
CyberET
fish sian sian after water change could either indicate water problem, or the fish gills having problem..
desireless
QUOTE(g-string @ Tue 27 Apr 2004 08:42 PM)
wah...your fish every month sick ah?

btw hor, tubi $8! you siao ah?
$8 is hell a lot of tubi wor....u feed tubi meh??
no wonder you need medication every month.....hehehehe....

Almost 4 times per week. 50cent per buy to last one day. Of course must wash the worms before feeding. Maybe wash not enough, but this is by far the best food at pumping fishes up.
QUOTE(Allan @ Tue 27 Apr 2004 08:46 PM)
I have came across bros saying the same thing but myself have not experience it.  If anything, the fishes are probably more active after water change.

Did you adjust or equalize the pH?

Maybe you can try dosing Genesis correctly, or at most by 2X?

The only time I find my fish listing after water change is when the water temperature difference is too great, but they snap out of it within 15-20 minutes.  So I always make sure the water temperature is the same before and after, sometimes I even use ice cubes to bring it down quickly when I change water on a hot day.


The PH I leave as it is coz AMK water almost 8.3 or more. Already got buffer. So I don't adjust. Problem I think is whether I have added lesser than or more than the correct dose of Genesis. Is there a website of PUB on their update on water maintenance or something? Maybe when they add more chlorine or chloramine and I didn't know. Few LFS in my area experiencing the same thing also...
CyberET
pH 8 is not an indication there is buffer, buffer and high pH r two seperate things, have u used a kH kit to reconfirm your tap water's kH?

if u r feeding live worms, u better buffer, and change water very frequently, plus regular salt dips

http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=566
desireless
So I have a misunderstanding of buffer blush.gif I always thought buffer means setting the PH higher so it takes longer for PH to go down to below 7 and then to PH crash... tongue.gif
Seacucumber
QUOTE(desireless @ Wed 28 Apr 2004 02:35 PM)
So I have a misunderstanding of buffer  blush.gif  I always thought buffer means setting the PH higher so it takes longer for PH to go down to below 7 and then to PH crash...  tongue.gif

bash.gif alamak!
jhansolo
I thought you understood "buffer" from the former thread

http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.ph...hl=buffer&st=15

I remember you told me you are EE guy right? Buffer is like adding a relay contractor.
desireless
QUOTE(jhansolo @ Thu 29 Apr 2004 12:53 PM)
I thought you understood "buffer" from the former thread

http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.ph...hl=buffer&st=15

I remember you told me you are EE guy right?  Buffer is like adding a relay contractor.

I understood the concept WRONGLY lor blush.gif
I took the term "buffer" as PH buffer. Thought is to set the PH high high so there is a larger buffer to PH crash.
As for the KH thing, I thought is to ensure the water hardness safety, a value to gauge that we do not add Sodium Bicarbonate powder beyond the value that fishes can take. hmm.gif

Misunderstood!
CyberET
bicarbonate powder increases the water's buffering ability without affecting pH too much smile.gif
square_guy
QUOTE(CyberET @ Thu 29 Apr 2004 04:33 PM)
bicarbonate powder increases the water's buffering ability without affecting pH too much smile.gif

i beg to differ.

i think a more accurate way of putting it is, if the pH is not low, adding bicarbonate would increase buffering and would also not affect pH too much. if pH is low like 6.0, i believe even 1gram of bicarb will raise the pH by around 0.5 in a 140L tank.

this is speaking from experience from my 3ft arowana tank.
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