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void
just purchased a pair of Thai black ranchus... size about 7.5 cm head to tail...

hehe... i'm still on learning phase for ranchus... so go on, just shoot me ah... yes.gif

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white horse T1
QUOTE(void @ Fri 30 Apr 2004 05:53 PM)
just purchased a pair of Thai black ranchus... size about 7.5 cm head to tail...

hehe... i'm still on learning phase for ranchus... so go on, just shoot me ah...  yes.gif

thanks...  beg2.gif

1st fish
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2nd fish
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the first one i like leh....
black black, cheeky and nice body

2nd one....abit humpy
desireless
First piece is fcuking nice!!! good_very.gif
I like it very very much. good_very.gif good_very.gif good_very.gif
Pump up the head so that it will cover the very slight up-step right after the head. But I see that it is very minor. Not to worry about wink.gif

2nd one humpy like Ah Tan say. And the tail a bit "lazy". Not much headgrowth also. 7.5 cm only so the head sure can still be pumped. Overall, it is better than some blackies selling at $150 ++ here peace.gif
Seacucumber
1st one might be broader in future if well fed....
doubt that the wen will cover eyes as what desireless describe.....

overall the 1st one seems more potential.....
pls do update us in future....
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domho7
Phew they look huge. Nice catch Void
CyberET
interesting, first piece not bad, got a better side view photo of the first fish? looks chinese to me le, any idea? what did the LFS say?
nismoman77
1st 1 nicer than the 2nd 1!

Food is a headache for Blackies!!
leogon
Black ranchus require sunlight and clear/clean water to show their best colours.
Food should be just wheatgerm based. This I learnt from Thai breeders. Hope this helps.
nismoman77
QUOTE(leogon @ Mon 03 May 2004 09:57 PM)
Black ranchus require sunlight and clear/clean water to show their best colours.
Food should be just wheatgerm based. This I learnt from Thai breeders. Hope this helps.

Wheatgerm based is lower in protein,growth not so fast but wat to do.. The rest have color enhancers..
Seacucumber
QUOTE(leogon @ Mon 03 May 2004 09:57 PM)
Black ranchus require sunlight and clear/clean water to show their best colours.
Food should be just wheatgerm based. This I learnt from Thai breeders. Hope this helps.

genetic is mainly the issue....
used to be skeptical and kept in clear water too...
but now, in gwater, the black is even blacker.... biggrin.gif
Seacucumber
QUOTE(nismoman77 @ Mon 03 May 2004 10:44 PM)
Wheatgerm based is lower in protein,growth not so fast but wat to do.. The rest have color enhancers..

depending on wat kind of colour enchancers.....
spirulina is ok for black....
my blackies are on Hikari Lionhead pellets.....containing spirulina.....
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(g-string @ Wed 05 May 2004 07:56 AM)
depending on wat kind of colour enchancers.....
spirulina is ok for black....
my blackies are on Hikari Lionhead pellets.....containing spirulina.....

Usually when they list the ingredients, they list them in the order of percentage. So I want to point out Hikari Lionhead may actually have more carotenoid then spirulina. In any case, their percentage is very small, unlike JBL's Goldperls which clearly and proudly say contains 10% of spirulina. You wanna try Goldperls to see the effect of spirulina on blackies? no.gif
void
aiyah.. forgot to tell u guys... the 1st ranchu actually got defect... its tail never separated... Should i cut it? anyone has experience cutting ranchu tail?
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(void @ Wed 05 May 2004 10:02 AM)
aiyah.. forgot to tell u guys... the 1st ranchu actually got defect... its tail never separated... Should i cut it? anyone has experience cutting ranchu tail?

I have a fishy feeling that after you cut to seperate the tails, they will join again. If not, there won't be classification for the different types of tail, 4 pivoted, 3 pivoted and Sakura for instance. biggrin.gif
void
QUOTE(HappyBuddha @ Wed 05 May 2004 09:42 AM)
I have a fishy feeling that after you cut to seperate the tails, they will join again.  If not, there won't be classification for the different types of tail, 4 pivoted, 3 pivoted and Sakura for instance.  biggrin.gif

yeah... i guess u r rite... hiks...
white horse T1
QUOTE(void @ Thu 06 May 2004 11:32 AM)
yeah... i guess u r rite... hiks...

a single tail means defect mah?
Amos
QUOTE(white horse T1 @ Thu 06 May 2004 08:39 PM)
a single tail means defect mah?

Definitely a defect if a ranchu has a single tail only, but bro void's ranchu does not have a single tail. The tails are joined and is a called a 3-pivoted tails. There's nothing wrong with that, except a 4-pivoted or a sakurai tails is "nicer".
void
QUOTE(Amos @ Thu 06 May 2004 07:47 PM)
Definitely a defect if a ranchu has a single tail only, but bro void's ranchu does not have a single tail.  The tails are joined and is a called a 3-pivoted tails.  There's nothing wrong with that, except a 4-pivoted or a sakurai tails is "nicer".

hmmm... so 3-pivoted tails are not considered defect hah?? hehehe.... rolleyes.gif
Seacucumber
mine also 3 pivot wat....
btw hor, does 3 pivot tails means the centre is joined?? rolleyes.gif
void
QUOTE(g-string @ Thu 06 May 2004 10:18 PM)
mine also 3 pivot wat....
btw hor, does 3 pivot tails means the centre is joined??  rolleyes.gif

i heard that there is only one centre bone joining the tail... not sure true or not though... unsure.gif
HappyBuddha
QUOTE(void @ Fri 07 May 2004 10:13 AM)
i heard that there is only one centre bone joining the tail... not sure true or not though...  unsure.gif

Do you know how a sakura tail looks like? If you have one, observe and you'll see it only have one "center bone" but as the tails split, the bone also split into two. So a 3-pivoted only have one center bone instead of two bones that joined together.
dragonhart
hi, just to share my little blackie. only a young fish about 2 inch +.

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dragonhart
btw the tail is 4-pivoted, split at the centre. i like it very much, the wen is also developing. check out the cheeks.
GF Lover
Heard that you cannot feed black goldfish with colour enhancers and also to raise it in a black tub rather than in bright tank or blue tubs. Also needs plenty of sunlight. Are these true?????
CyberET
true to a certain extend.. it also all goes down to the genes, and water condition
dragonhart
QUOTE(goldfish Lover @ Wed 12 May 2004 11:06 PM)
Heard that you cannot feed black goldfish with colour enhancers and also to raise it in a black tub rather than in bright tank or blue tubs. Also needs plenty of sunlight. Are these true?????

agree. one time i put my red and white ranchu in a yellow tub i have, within a few hour the red fade??!!! now keeping my blackie at the balcony with west sun, hope it will be more black.
GF Lover
Rainbow Pet sells a special pellet for colour enhancement ($15/- for a small bottle). My in-law has a tub of orange ranchu and oranda that I gave them some time back. They fed the pellets bought from Rainbow Pet. After several weeks, the colour changed to deep red.

I tried the pallets for the black ranchu and I think it works. I have given my black ranchu to a friend and he claims that the colour is still very black.
Amos
QUOTE(goldfish Lover @ Thu 13 May 2004 10:18 AM)
Rainbow Pet sells a special pellet for colour enhancement ($15/- for a small bottle). My in-law has a tub of orange ranchu and oranda that I gave them some time back. They fed the pellets bought from Rainbow Pet. After several weeks, the colour changed to deep red.

I tried the pallets for the black ranchu and I think it works. I have given my black ranchu to a friend and he claims that the colour is still very black.

Is there any chance you could get hold of the bottle and list out the ingredients? I'm not totally against using colour enhancers so long as they are natural. Quicky ways to bring out the colour is likely to damage, if I remember correctly, the kidney leading to stunt growth. Thanx.
GF Lover
Sorry because I cannot read Japanese but the goldfish my in-law kept are more than 3 years old now. They feed the goldfish once a day and change water once a week with no filter for the tub (4 ft x 2 ft x 10 inchs dp).
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