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white horse T1
somehow whenever i add sodium bicarbonate to the pail i used to age overnight with anti chlorine/chlormine treament, my tank has traces of white coating the tank wall and even the sponge. but they got dissipated after a day in main tank

why? is it that i put too much or the sodium bicarbonate did not dissolve properly?
jhansolo
QUOTE(white horse T1 @ Thu 06 May 2004 08:48 PM)
somehow whenever i add sodium bicarbonate to the pail i used to age overnight with anti chlorine/chlormine  treament, my tank has traces of white coating the tank wall and even the sponge.  but they got dissipated after a day in main tank

why?  is it that i put too much or the sodium bicarbonate did not dissolve properly?

I usually add sodium bicarbonate directly into the main tank. Here's the calculation for me to up 50 ppm usually after I changed water, my water from tap is very low so usually I need to buffer twice.

57L water 5g of baking soda

After Change water on Saturday morning I add 5g to buffer
Sunday night I do a 5 in 1 test and ph up if needed, but usually need to up PH a little and another 5g to buffer
Wednesday / Thursday another 5 in 1 check, but usually it is fine.

Following advice from the bros here I no longer age water, but mix my aqua+ in the jelly can before it goes into the tank.
white horse T1
QUOTE(jhansolo @ Fri 07 May 2004 11:35 AM)
I usually add sodium bicarbonate directly into the main tank.  Here's the calculation for me to up 50 ppm usually after I changed water, my water from tap is very low so usually I need to buffer twice.

57L water 5g of baking soda

After Change water on Saturday  morning I add 5g to buffer
Sunday night I do a 5 in 1 test and ph up if needed, but usually need to up PH a little and another 5g to buffer
Wednesday / Thursday another 5 in 1 check, but usually it is fine.

Following advice from the bros here I no longer age water, but mix my aqua+ in the jelly can before it goes into the tank.

ok i just want to know if anyone see white stuff in the tank after adding sodium bi...regardless of amount.....
Allan
QUOTE(white horse T1 @ Thu 06 May 2004 08:48 PM)
why?  is it that i put too much or the sodium bicarbonate did not dissolve properly?

Can you take a photo of your bottle of baking soda? For the record, I find my baking soda readily blend into the water with little effort. Even light aeration is enough to dissolve them.

Anyway, why are you aging your water?
jowy_ham
QUOTE
Following advice from the bros here I no longer age water, but mix my aqua+ in the jelly can before it goes into the tank.


Wow shiok.gif U have jelly can to store your water, where u get them frm ? army camp smuggle out ? beg2.gif beg2.gif
jhansolo
QUOTE(jowy_ham @ Fri 07 May 2004 06:32 PM)

Wow  shiok.gif  U have jelly can to store your water, where u get them frm ? army camp smuggle out ?  beg2.gif  beg2.gif

Seriously you can buy them from hardware shop near to crawford behind Immigration

So the army camp story ... that was so long ago ... Everytime the SAF 100 come I go see doctor.

I find Jelly Can to move the water from bathroom to tank is easier than buckets.

Try you won't regret
jowy_ham
I think no diff for me cos my tank is in my guest room and the toilet is jus beside ( 5-6 steps away ).

save the $$$ to buy more food for my GFs tongue.gif
Allan
QUOTE(jhansolo @ Fri 07 May 2004 11:35 AM)
Following advice from the bros here I no longer age water, but mix my aqua+ in the jelly can before it goes into the tank.

Treating your tap water seperately first is always good, but I often apply anti-chlorine after the tap water gets into the tank (with the fishes inside.) I had been wondering if that's okay, ie, short-term exposure to chlorine. I'm glad I was told goldfish is a lot tougher in this issue than they were sometimes made out to be. It's unclear how short the short-term is but I take it as less than 10 minutes max as that's about the longest I ever waited before apply anti-chlorine and my fishes are fine.
dragonhart
QUOTE(Allan @ Sat 08 May 2004 07:49 AM)
Treating your tap water seperately first is always good, but I often apply anti-chlorine after the tap water gets into the tank (with the fishes inside.)  I had been wondering if that's okay, ie, short-term exposure to chlorine.  I'm glad I was told goldfish is a lot tougher in this issue than they were sometimes made out to be.  It's unclear how short the short-term is but I take it as less than 10 minutes max as that's about the longest I ever waited before apply anti-chlorine and my fishes are fine.

hi, i add anti-chlorine into the tank first before i turn the tap on with a 10 m long hose attached. so far so good. never have chlorine burn. After filling the tank, i on the filter pump and put salt.
Allan
QUOTE(dragonhart @ Wed 12 May 2004 05:36 PM)
hi, i add anti-chlorine into the tank first before i turn the tap on with a 10 m long hose attached. so far so good. never have chlorine burn. After filling the tank, i on the filter pump and put salt.

It's good to know that applying anti-chlorine first is fine too. Thanks.

But how come you add salt too and what's the amount? Too little it's a waste, and too much too frequently is said to cause parasites to develope immunity.

Cheers
dragonhart
QUOTE(Allan @ Wed 12 May 2004 06:30 PM)
It's good to know that applying anti-chlorine first is fine too.  Thanks.

But how come you add salt too and what's the amount?  Too little it's a waste, and too much too frequently is said to cause parasites to develope immunity.

Cheers

uh...roughly 2 teaspoons for 20L of water , ~ 0.05%. salt is added as a preventive measure.

how much do u put?
jowy_ham
QUOTE(Allan @ Wed 12 May 2004 06:30 PM)
It's good to know that applying anti-chlorine first is fine too.  Thanks.

But how come you add salt too and what's the amount?  Too little it's a waste, and too much too frequently is said to cause parasites to develope immunity.

Cheers

Har ??? add salt frequently also not good meh ??? unsure.gif unsure.gif

I always add 0.2% ( abt 260g into my 86 litres tub or 50g per 28 litres of water change )

I got the above amount from the AquaCaculator at RG.

Poll Poll Poll

Do U guys add salt everytime U change water ?

If yes, wat percentage ?
mountain
QUOTE(jowy_ham @ Wed 12 May 2004 11:33 PM)
Har ??? add salt frequently also not good meh ???  unsure.gif  unsure.gif

I always add 0.2% ( abt 260g into my 86 litres tub or 50g per 28 litres of water change )

I got the above amount from the AquaCaculator at RG.

Poll Poll Poll

Do U guys add salt everytime U change water ?

If yes, wat percentage ?

no we don't. most of us use salt when we need to do treatment. During normal water change we will leave the salt out.

like wat allans says.. Prolong usage of salt will actually decrease the effectiveness of salt when your fish gets sick when u need to use it. Worst still ... incorrect Amount of salt such as over-dosage can actually be harmful.
jowy_ham
Ooops, add liao sad.gif just have to stop adding when doing water change, so that the salt level gets diluted over time and water change tongue.gif

Thanks
jhansolo
During my initial cycle I kept the salinity level at 0.1%. Since you already added and the fish don't behave strangly like ... died. Start diluting when you do water change, as you are changing 20% everyday, by the third or fourth day you would have brought down your salinity level to 0.1%. After that maintain 0.1% against the volume of water change.

Cheers
jowy_ham
QUOTE(jhansolo @ Thu 13 May 2004 10:39 AM)
During my initial cycle I kept the salinity level at 0.1%.  Since you already added and the fish don't behave strangly like ... died.  Start diluting when you do water change, as you are changing 20% everyday, by the third or fourth day you would have brought down your salinity level to 0.1%.  After that maintain 0.1% against the volume of water change.

Cheers

Okie, Thanks for advising smile.gif
ranchuman
QUOTE(dragonhart @ Wed 12 May 2004 05:36 PM)
hi, i add anti-chlorine into the tank first before i turn the tap on with a 10 m long hose attached. so far so good. never have chlorine burn. After filling the tank, i on the filter pump and put salt.

hi,

may I know what is chlorine burn?? How would the fish look like if kena chlorine burn and how much chlorine will cause this?

Thanks.
Allan
QUOTE(dragonhart @ Wed 12 May 2004 06:41 PM)
uh...roughly 2 teaspoons for 20L of water , ~ 0.05%. salt is added as a preventive measure.

how much do u put?

I don't apply salt as a preventive measure. I let the fish takes care of itself by making sure the water quality is always good.

QUOTE(jowy_ham @ Wed 12 May 2004 11:33 PM)
Har ??? add salt frequently also not good meh ???  unsure.gif  unsure.gif

I always add 0.2% ( abt 260g into my 86 litres tub or 50g per 28 litres of water change )

I got the above amount from the AquaCaculator at RG.

Poll Poll Poll

Do U guys add salt everytime U change water ?

If yes, wat percentage ?

0% is my answer.

The idea of adding salt to your water after water change probably stem from LFS owner who gives out this advice to newbies. You see, salt does have the effect of reducing stress for fish in a new un-cycled tank. Frankly most experienced goldfish keepers won't ask LFS owner for advise so I guess the owner always assumed you're a newbie if you need his advise. Thus many of them the knowledge they have on hand caters to pple with new setup, ie, un-cycled tank, an dhence they ask you to add salt.

Don't!

And I just checked the AquaCalculator here but I can't find any mention of using salt, or the salinity level to archieve, as a sickenss prevention measure. Only treatment and bath's dosage are listed.
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