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olddog
Hi, I often get intrigued when I read postings from you guys on seeing certain bargains in the multitude of shops you have in all your home markets.

What’s the relative cost to Mr Average Joe for his fishkeeping hobby ?

In the UK at the moment an unskilled worker earns about £7-£10 per hour. A skilled guy gets about £10 - £15.
In a LFS the cost of a pet grade fish is about £3 -£5. A decent example that would not embarrass you at your local show would be about £50 a fish.

So in the UK Mr average Joe works about 15- 20 minutes for a pet grade fish and about 3-4 hours for a decent example.
We are mugs in the UK we pay loads more for most things than the rest of Europe or America! Petrol is about £0.80 per litre and restaurant meal for two is about £30-£40.

Relatively speaking what’s the score in your countries regarding hobby costs.

Hope you pay more than me, we got to have to edge on some place!

Sick as an olddog.
Seacucumber
ok bro Olddog, hehehe.........
here it goes...

an average dude like us in Sg makes about S$1500-S$3000 a month....which works out to be about 700 - 1400 pounds?? i am not sure about the xchange rate....

an average LFS fish will cost about S$30-S$50.

those fishes that are decent enough for shows and competition will cost anything above S$100......

hmm...petrol is not cheap in SG too.....cost around S$1.50 per litre...

as for food, a dinner of steak and salad for 2 will cost around S$40-$60 in a decent restaurant.

cost of living i would say is about the same as what you had mentioned in the UK.
whats cheap i guess would be fish food, medications and assecories. Check the prices of our fishkeeping stuffs in our buy/sell forum.... biggrin.gif

and personally, Mr. Average Andy here spends about S$50 a month for my hobby....only maintainence...food, assecories, medications etc...
olddog
QUOTE(g-string @ Mon 14 Jun 2004 12:14 AM)

i am not sure about the xchange rate....

an average LFS fish will cost about S$30-S$50.

those fishes that are decent enough for shows and competition will cost anything above S$100......

hmm...petrol is not cheap in SG too.....cost around S$1.50 per litre...

as for food, a dinner of steak and salad for 2 will cost around S$40-$60 in a decent restaurant.


whats cheap i guess would be fish food, medications and assecories. Check the prices of our fishkeeping stuffs in our buy/sell forum.... biggrin.gif


The exchage rate is about £1 = $3.11 SG$

I looked at some of those prices in the B&S section, they look good.

This is a link to an English online site. These prices are about 30% less than my local LFS.

http://www.animal-house.co.uk/
mountain
much has to do with a Small Singapore, where it is a cut-your-throat competition amongst LFS. In the end, consumers benefit.
olddog
You Guys have strange pricing technique (i.e., flexible). How on earth would a person visiting Singapore work out the expected price? In fact how on earth do you even recognise the correct price?

It amuses me the hear stories like “I persuaded the aunty to give me two fish from the $250 tub for $150.” What’s an aunty? Is it the shopkeeper or the assistant?
In the UK it’s always expected to pay illustrated price! Not half as much fun as you guys have! happydance.gif And what’s with the practice of keeping selected tub of fish for special customers? There would be a few black eyes and missing teeth if that was tried in the UK! hmm.gif

And lastly what is the “lobang”? Don’t tell me it’s a bang on the floor !!!!!! blush.gif
square_guy
hi olddog,

let's leave the exchange rate out of the equation first laugh.gif

almost all of the LFS operates in the "old way". if i'm not wrong, the proper term should be "sole proprietorship" (did i get the spelling right? blush.gif ). so the shop owner can price his goods his own ways haha. usually the selling price isn't fixed rigid, and a degree of bargaining is allowed. so we try to negotiate for a better price. things which are really cheap, we called them "lobang" (could also be explained as "a good recommendation"). hey this is singlish yes.gif

if u have a chance to come to asia, u'll find that this is fairly common.

we r lucky as singapore is so near to the major goldfish exporting countries (china, thailand, japan), and we get very very good pricing for fish. other breeds of fancy goldfish could cost as little as $10 and easily above $100 for ranchus. accessories and food are also very cheap as we are near to the producing countries as well.

i probably spent less than S$50 per month if i didn't buy fishes, and i dun get tempted by some fancy equipment laugh.gif
olddog
Hi Guys,
The bargaining practice sounds like fun. I will try it out in my LFS this weekend. (I will probably get thrown out the shop!)

If I don’t buy fish, my hobby costs about £30-£40 per month. More if the wife doesn’t catch me spending!!!! I think you guys get the better “lobang” The UK is also a small island with plenty of fish keepers but few shops.

In the UK I have never seen top view for sale at LFS. We get some nice Chinese stock but you have far better for sale fish where you live. The best UK hobbyist lobang is at regional fish show auctions. I have had ten good fish for £5 at some auctions.
Its common practice for a fish auction of show breeder’s surplus stock to be held while the judges are completing the examination.
GF Lover
I think that in Singapore, we are very fortunate as far as buying the average goldfish is concern. If you bother to visit all the popular LFS every Thursdays or Fridays, you may get a bargain for a very decent oranda or pearl-scale for as little as S$2/-. I live near the place in Singapore where there are about 20 LFS, all within a stone's throw away from each other.

If you look hard enough, you might even find a very decent goldfish among the feeder fish.

Only at the upper end do you find it more difficult to get really good goldfish. I heard that only the lower grade of Japanese Black Babies from the Master Breeders in Japan makes it to Singapore. It seems that only way you can get a decent Japanese ranchu is to go to Thailand and buy it
olddog
Singapore sounds a nice place to live. Super selection and decently priced fish.

What a contrast to the UK. I bet the government don’t tax you 30%-40% on what you earn then 17.5% when you spend it in the shops…………. It isn’t fair you even get the good whether as well. I will have to move out to Singapore when I retire!!!!!!!!!

Regards Olddog
Seacucumber
QUOTE(olddog @ Mon 14 Jun 2004 09:00 AM)
You Guys have strange pricing technique (i.e., flexible). How on earth would a person visiting Singapore work out the expected price? In fact how on earth do you even recognise the correct price?


the lowest price is definately the CORRECT price....

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GF Lover
QUOTE(olddog @ Mon 14 Jun 2004 10:35 AM)
Singapore sounds a nice place to live. Super selection and decently priced fish.

What a contrast to the UK. I bet the government don’t tax you 30%-40% on what you earn then 17.5% when you spend it in the shops…………. It isn’t fair you even get the good whether as well. I will have to move out to Singapore when I retire!!!!!!!!!

Regards Olddog

I think the problem is that your gov. has to support lots of welfare. Where do you think all those money comes from. Imagine that you get paid when you do not work in your country. In Singapore, the gov. make you save up when you are young through CPF and then let you draw out your money when you retire.

This is the reason many Singaporean wants to migrate to Australia, New Zealand etc. Firstly they can draw on these welfares and secondly they can spend on their CPF as they do not need to work. Every day either go fishing or keep ranchu. How you wish you can work in Singapore when you are young and go back to UK for retirement and get paid for it.

Oh btw "lobang" is a Malay word for hole. How this word get mixed-up with its current meaning, I am not too sure.
BlueBubble
QUOTE(olddog @ Mon 14 Jun 2004 10:35 AM)
Singapore sounds a nice place to live. Super selection and decently priced fish.

What a contrast to the UK. I bet the government don’t tax you 30%-40% on what you earn then 17.5% when you spend it in the shops…………. It isn’t fair you even get the good whether as well. I will have to move out to Singapore when I retire!!!!!!!!!

Regards Olddog

Our Govt charge us GST 5% and all of us are already screaming tongue.gif
BlueBubble
QUOTE(goldfish Lover @ Mon 14 Jun 2004 10:05 AM)
I heard that only the lower grade of Japanese Black Babies from the Master Breeders in Japan makes it to Singapore. It seems that only way you can get a decent Japanese ranchu is to go to Thailand and buy it

Is this true? I thought this is only what some breeder in thailand and his parrots were trying to mislead us so that we will buy his products? If Singapore cannot get decent Jap ranchu, why not buy straight from Japan but must go to Thailand to buy? Doesnt make sense, does it?
olddog
QUOTE(BlueBubble @ Tue 15 Jun 2004 04:50 AM)
Our Govt charge us GST 5% and all of us are already screaming  tongue.gif

Add another 5% local council tax and another 5% national insurance on top of all the rest in the UK.
Ship me out to S.G.

Olddog.
BlueBubble
QUOTE(olddog @ Tue 15 Jun 2004 12:58 PM)
Add another 5% local council tax and another 5% national insurance on top of all the rest in the UK.
Ship me out to S.G.

Olddog.

A higher tax in return for some freedom of speech may not be too expensive wink.gif
olddog
QUOTE(BlueBubble @ Tue 15 Jun 2004 05:10 AM)
A higher tax in return for some freedom of speech may not be too expensive wink.gif

Gag me I want to buy more ranchu. I am running out of percents!!!!!!!!
BlueBubble
QUOTE(olddog @ Tue 15 Jun 2004 01:14 PM)
Gag me I want to buy more ranchu. I am running out of percents!!!!!!!!

laugh.gif
yamato38gunkei
QUOTE(olddog @ Mon 14 Jun 2004 03:35 AM)
Singapore sounds a nice place to live. Super selection and decently priced fish.

What a contrast to the UK. I bet the government don’t tax you 30%-40% on what you earn then 17.5% when you spend it in the shops…………. It isn’t fair you even get the good whether as well. I will have to move out to Singapore when I retire!!!!!!!!!

Regards Olddog

We can give our Ranchu cold water in the winter !

Regards,

Geert Coppens
RBT
Believe labour/service etc is high over there,read in the newspaper recently that a professor earns lesser then a plumber.(scratch head)
olddog
QUOTE(yamato38gunkei @ Tue 15 Jun 2004 07:00 AM)
We can give our Ranchu cold water in the winter !

Regards,

Geert Coppens

Geert, I must remember how lucky we are in January when we are up to our elbows in 2 deg water cleaning the sides of our tubs. It brings tears to my eyes just to think about it!!!!!! Have you ever tried to dry your hands on a hard frozen towel? Or how about pouring boiling water over the fish house door padlock to get it to work.

You are correct though, the cool period has its development advantages.

Best regards Forrest (hotddog)
olddog
QUOTE(RBT @ Tue 15 Jun 2004 02:35 PM)
Believe labour/service etc is high over there,read in the newspaper recently that a professor earns lesser then a plumber.(scratch head)

Hi RBT, it is no joke, for many years I earned my living as a pharmaceutical technician.

Now I have re-trained as a plumber/heating engineer to take advantage of this mad situation.
Accordingly I now have some crazy ideas to gas heat some ranchu pools cheaply using domestic heating boilers!!!!!! I will keep you posted.
Mad plumber/scientist projects to come, it should be fun.

Forrest (olddog)
square_guy
QUOTE(olddog @ Wed 16 Jun 2004 07:42 AM)
Accordingly I now have some crazy ideas to gas heat some ranchu pools cheaply using domestic heating boilers!!!!!! I will keep you posted.
Mad plumber/scientist projects to come, it should be fun.

Forrest (olddog)

no kidding! pls dun boil your ranchus biggrin.gif

do post pics if you get it done, that would be very interesting. maybe u can also think of a cooling system too laugh.gif (for us tongue.gif )
olddog
QUOTE(square_guy @ Wed 16 Jun 2004 12:52 AM)
no kidding! pls dun boil your ranchus biggrin.gif

do post pics if you get it done, that would be very interesting. maybe u can also think of a cooling system too  laugh.gif (for us  tongue.gif )

I will have to be careful I don’t boil myself. In January I could easily be tempted to join the ranchu and back stroke a few lengths of a 75 deg ranchu pool.

I gave plenty of thought about the chilling methods for you guys but I haven’t come up with anything practical yet.

Forrest (olddog)
GF Lover
QUOTE(olddog @ Wed 16 Jun 2004 09:02 AM)
I will have to be careful I don’t boil myself. In January I could easily be tempted to join the ranchu and back stroke a few lengths of a 75 deg ranchu pool.

I gave plenty of thought about the chilling methods for you guys but I haven’t come up with anything practical yet.

Forrest (olddog)

This will give you incentive to migrate to Singapore and have a third career as a ranchu consultant, How does this sound?

Cheers
olddog
QUOTE(goldfish Lover @ Wed 16 Jun 2004 02:51 AM)
This will give you incentive to migrate to Singapore and have a third career as a ranchu consultant, How does this sound?

Cheers

As a ranchu consultant I would go very hungry……… Plenty enthusiasm but much to learn. It’s a long and perplexing road to understand ranchu …….even then standards move and evolve…The road has many twists and turns…… so many different methods to shape our work. So little time in one mans lifetime to strive for even a hint of perfection!

No wonder the Japanese have such beautiful national treasure. Can you imagine many generations of your family perfecting and enhancing the work you started on your bloodline.

Forrest.
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