My Fancy Goldfish Competition 2006, Pre event info Options

[The Matrix]

Matrix,
Could you comment on GA113, is it a Ranchu or Lionchu?  According to your definition (A lionchu has a more jelly like wen, fluffy and not as firm.), I think is a Ranchu but lot of people think otherwise.
Also, can we get Ranchu and Lionchu in a same spawn? 

Is it possible to elaborate and define more on defectivity vs deformity, think is not very clear line drawn (e.g, a missing anal fins is a defect or deform?).

This is not the official reply ok. The picture is not clear so I can only guess. Only if a very clear pic is shown.

The fish is a lionchu.

As for spawning, I do not have the answer.

Ok ... I try to make it simple.

A Goldfish has a mouth, 2 eyes, 4 paired fins, 1 dorsal fin (except Dan-Zhong, egg-fish variety). If any of these missing or incomplete growth is consider deformed. However, in most show, a single anal fin is consider a defect.

If all the 12 features are there, only maybe a slight big/small in size, crooked, damaged, blind, that's a defect only.

Other than this 12 features will be the head and body. Seldom u see a head deform. The main problem will be defective gill plates like curling, torn, broken etc.

The body defects can be a few like missing scales and dis-coloration. But deformed body is obvious like curled spine.

[The Matrix]

What class should I enter if my black ranchu has its belly turning golden?

Black.

[goldrush]

So by looking at its head my Thai TVR reject becomes a Lionchu ?????
see below



Why not let the organising committee reclassify the entry rather than disqualify the contestant.Seems abit harsh on potential participant who may unintentionally classify an entry and then kenna jiak $15.00!!!!!!!!

[The Matrix]

So by looking at its head my Thai TVR reject becomes a Lionchu ?????
see below
Why not let the organising committee reclassify the entry rather than disqualify the contestant.Seems abit harsh on potential participant who may unintentionally classify an entry and then kenna jiak $15.00!!!!!!!!

It is the responsibility of the participants to submit the fish in the correct category and classification. The participants will bench in the fish according to the confirmed entry label issued in the later date.

The organisers will not, in any manner, interfere with the participant's final decision only if Clause #6 Statement #2 has been applied for any disputes prior to submitting the entry.

The posting above is only an indication and not official. I will relook at the picture again. To obtain an official reply, please send a clear digitized photo to the email.

[Ranchu Lover]

To obtain an official reply, please send a clear digitized photo to the email.

Sorry if I may sound too "long winded". What will happen if a participant after getting an official reply and rely on it and the judges feel otherwise.

[Nic]

So by looking at its head my Thai TVR reject becomes a Lionchu ?????
see below
Why not let the organising committee reclassify the entry rather than disqualify the contestant.Seems abit harsh on potential participant who may unintentionally classify an entry and then kenna jiak $15.00!!!!!!!!

Doc. I think yours, even by looking at its head, is an obvious thai buffalo head ranchu.

[The Matrix]

So by looking at its head my Thai TVR reject becomes a Lionchu ?????

Erh Doc, on closer look comparing GA113 and the one you've posted are 2 different fish. The one you have posted above is a nice male ranchu.

[The Matrix]

Sorry if I may sound too "long winded". What will happen if a participant after getting an official reply and rely on it and the judges feel otherwise.

It's ok. In fact a good question.

I believe by now it should be quite clear of the differences in the classification.

Every photo send in will be validated. However, if the photo is not clear enough, will be asked to re-send another photo till it could be validated. We may ask for a full fish length photo to ensure that the fish will be bench in. Every photo will be filed and documented for the judging record.

We do not doubt the final decision of the judges and their vast knowledge in goldfish will determine the winning fishes.

[The Matrix]

A Goldfish has a mouth, 2 eyes, 4 paired fins, 1 dorsal fin (except Dan-Zhong, egg-fish variety). If any of these missing or incomplete growth is consider deformed. However, in most show, a single anal fin is consider a defect.

If all the 12 features are there, only maybe a slight big/small in size, crooked, damaged, blind, that's a defect only.

Other than this 12 features will be the head and body. Seldom u see a head deform. The main problem will be defective gill plates like curling, torn, broken etc.

The body defects can be a few like missing scales and dis-coloration. But deformed body is obvious like curled spine.

I would like to make a few corrections here. Pardon me please as I slowly read thru every postings now.

It is important to understand the defects of the fish. It is not acceptable if the fish has missing, incomplete or malfunction of body parts. Examples of incomplete growth or unevenness of paired fins, crooked mouth, blinded eyes, unbalanced eyes, curled gill cover, curled body spine ... etc.

Hope this time got them right.

[goldrush]

In the Oranda category,a vast majority would fall in the 15cm and above region as most of their tails are as long as their bodies or maybe even more.So a 10-15 cm Oranda can be a very small fish with a long tail

To win in the 15 and above,probably you need not only a GIANT(which is not a problem)but perhaps other UNIQUE FEATURES(color,pattern,etc)

So try to source for a minature Oranda with good physical features as a safer bet if you intend to win something........................(just my thought)

[goldrush]

now in the Rhyukin category,you can never win just on its physical aspect.In recent years most Rhyukin has reached a standard where its physical state becomes a NORM rather than an exception.Many fish you can see with very good physical features are readily available in the market.But to win something requires more than the standard requirements.He must exude UNIQUENESS,RARITY and REFINEMENT.

Look at last year Aquarama winner and you will have some idea.It didn't score too well in its physiques but its DISTINCTION in rarity and uniqueness captured the judges' final placement.

So if you do not possess some majestic,vibrant and "one of its kind" fish then it would be a very difficult category to compete


Just my earnest opinion

goldrush

Ok off to work..................................

[The Matrix]

Interesting insight, but not necessary. In Aquarama, there are also few very unique ranchu but not a single one got anything. The winners were the red/white and black fishes. The ryukin also featured some solid fish, big and hugh. Also few unique coloration and features. But also did not win anything.

No doubt these special features are added advantages, but I believe that the fish must be of nice basic features. It would be the skill of the hobbyists, be it buying or grooming, to ensure these features stand out stronger and better to grab a placing in the judges eyes.

Unique fish is hard to come by, rarity as define ... rare !

This post has been edited by The Matrix: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 1:47 pm

[goldrush]

Hey look at what the thais come up with this cross

Black oranda with ranchu physiques or black ranchu with dorsal

[ranchu8]

Hey look at what the thais come up with this cross

Black oranda with ranchu physiques or black ranchu with dorsal

   

I think your superimposition work not that great?

[goldrush]

I think your superimposition work not that great? 

It ain't no superimposition

Here is the site I pick the pic from

http://www.thairanchucentre.com/gallery_b3.php