Water Change Vs Reverse Osmosis, Water Change vs Reverse Osmosis Options

[chanB]

ameister,

Impressive drawing . you must be a engineer with Hyfxxx. If got the budget and managed to get approval from WIFE. go ahead. otherwise you can't sleep. explore and enjoy your hobby. please keep us posted.

try not to permanently fix all components as you may need to modify.

Chan

[top_view_ranchu]

Guys, i'm jus curious...

which gives you more pleasure... the fish or the hassle of keeping the fish???  ;)

and knowing sgp water cost, i think everytime you guys there change water can buy another fish!

Hi Aron,
Why wud one take up the hobby if there's any hassle??? :
If you like the hobby, I suppose you sud only feel pleasure and not pressure! ;)

I used to wake up at 5am in the morning, go around picking up friends and drive a long distant into Malaysia just for an expensive game of golf. End of it, I'll be tired and red, but if you ask me if I'm interested to play again tomorrow? My reply will only be what time and which green. Some will only feel its ridiculous. Try explaining to your wife why EPL is so interesting!!!

Thus, this hobby to me is much cheaper and more comfortable. Don't you agree? ;)

Btw, you're in Donguang but know of our water cost here? Are you a Singaporean working in China?

Regards,
David Hou

[The Matrix]

Guys, i'm jus curious...

which gives you more pleasure... the fish or the hassle of keeping the fish???  ;)

and knowing sgp water cost, i think everytime you guys there change water can buy another fish!

RIGHT ON ! The amount of water change at home is nearly 3 tonnes a month, more than enough to buy quite a good fish. But what the heck, the important thing is the fish is living in good condition.

Well, we can also think otherwise, if really get a good fish, why not pay more attention to ensure the fish not just survive but grow nicely in our hand. no point own an expensive fish and not taking care of the most essential part of the hobby.

for your 1st question, which give me more pleasure ... if the fish is growing nicely and not deteriorating, watever i do is worth the effort. that's fish keeping.

[goldrush]

Hey don't forget one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS OF GOLDFISHKEEPING is water change.Here it is again

CHANGE WATER: The key word is CHANGE, CHANGE, CHANGE. If you are not prepared to make drastic water changes, forget this hobby and keep something else. Clear water does not equate clean water. Be a master of water management and the water will manage your fish. Trust me. ...............

[aronkhj]

Cheers to us goldfish keepers!
Yes... i'm working in Dongguan. would you be interested in accquiring fishes from here!!!

I spent the better half of 2005 learning all the tricks of keeping goldfish... and to be honest, it is really alot harder that what people say. In fact I lost count on how many goldfish went to a better place coz of my in experience. But each gave their lives so that I could lern not to make same mistake again!

Oh.. i totally agree... having healthy fishes in a good clean water really makes a difficult day become peaceful again when you come back from work and jus spend 10mins watching them!

Cheers guys!

[The Matrix]

To add on to what I advocate, it really depends on individual on how much time he would like to spend on this hobby.  No problem on tedious maintenance if you spend almost 100% of your time on this hobby.  On the other hand, if you only have 10% of your time to spare, I suggest you keep it simple or even give up this hobby.  A mismatch on this will definitely leads to stress and pressure and heavy casualty on your hobby. 

It makes me really wonder, in what ways do you find or feel that the maintenance tedious.

[gohks]

It makes me really wonder, in what ways do you find or feel that the maintenance tedious.

when is time for maintenance like emptying the tank, clean the filter, scrubbing the algae, everybody deep down the heart will feel "Oh! just another day of....." depending on how much passion you have, 1st few times maybe still feeling ok, but you would find it tiresom or bordersom if it takes too much effort (this will of course depend on the size and location of tank, your way of upkeep, and its condition)...u know what I mean.
I am talking about 10 - 20 yrs of life-long hobby here, if you make the routine too taxing, sooner or later you would have to drop or slow down.
Not to discourage but this is the fact everyone has to go thru.
My flame is still buring but can feel the weakening due to aging

[desireless]

In SG context, you can roughly estimate your electrical/water bills by using Dennis' Electricity and Water Billing Calculator here.

Maybe you can use the calculator to compare the cost of advocating water change and using RO

I think the idea of RO is really cool, if not for the cost involved. Just not economical.

[ameister]

Goldrush,

How frequently and how much of a water change do you do?

Thanks,

Ameister.

[goldrush]

That's a difficult question to answer for everybody

But personally I do a 100% water change every three days

[yamato38gunkei]

I have been breeding Ranchu for more than 20 years. The most important what I have learned is the following :

Beautiful Ranchu = healthy Ranchu = good water quality = water changes, water changes, water changes, water changes...

Regards,

Geert Coppens

[ameister]

That's a difficult question to answer for everybody

But personally I do a 100% water change every three days

I am not worthy a goldfish keeper...

I am getting even more curious....

Can you please tell me how big is your tank and what is your water supply? If from Singapore, I presume you using tap water. If so, do you:

• 1. Have a second tank, and aerate water for 1 day before?
• 2. Transfer fish to secondary containter, at water, treat water to sequester the chlorine/amines, and return fish to main tank?

Please illuminate...

Thanks

[ameister]

which gives you more pleasure... the fish or the hassle of keeping the fish???  ;)

I think the pleasure comes from how to improve and evolve.... Create the right setup that you minimize maintenance... enjoy the fish... every once in a while rip it apart and improve on your setup....

[CP]

I am getting even more curious....

Can you please tell me how big is your tank and what is your water supply?  If from Singapore, I presume you using tap water.  If so, do you:

• 1. Have a second tank, and aerate water for 1 day before?
  
  
• 2. Transfer fish to secondary containter, at water, treat water to sequester the chlorine/amines, and return fish to main tank?

Please illuminate...

Thanks

Since you are relatively new in this forum, do spend some time reading the old topics.
Here many of us do massive water changes, usually 80% to 100% weekly,and we do not age water as it will not get rid of the chloramines.

[The Matrix]

Since you are relatively new in this forum, do spend some time reading the old topics.
Here many of us do massive water changes, usually 80% to 100% weekly,and we do not age water as it will not get rid of the chloramines.

CP, the friend here from Jarkata leh ... if i not wrong, they can age water depending on which part of the water system they draw the water from.