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post Thu, 10 Jun 2004 8:36 pm
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QUOTE(Frankie @ Thu 10 Jun 2004 08:13 PM)
Grin. That's not a butterfly tails.  That's just a normal droppy sideview tails.  I believe, as no one wants to confirm it for me, that the anal fins are fully exposed when viewed from the side for a butterfly.

what is a butterfly, and what is a sideview demekin?

Butterfly tail does not mean that it MUST be view from the top, there are side view as well. Which is how the traditional butterfly tail was developed.

This is a traditional butterfly tail dragon eyes!! Except that quality is not of high standard. It is in recent years that the tail got appreciated from the top by a few pioneers as compare to over several decades since the butterfly tail developed.

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post Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:59 am
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QUOTE(CyberET @ Thu 10 Jun 2004 08:36 PM)
what is a butterfly, and what is a sideview demekin?

Butterfly tail does not mean that it MUST be view from the top, there are side view as well. Which is how the traditional butterfly tail was developed.

Can I see an example of non-butterfly sideview demekin tails? Thanks.
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post Sat, 12 Jun 2004 7:53 pm
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QUOTE(Frankie @ Sat 12 Jun 2004 10:58 AM)
Can I see an example of non-butterfly sideview demekin tails?  Thanks.

U very sure u talking about demekin, AKA dragon eyes AKA telescopic eyes AKA globe eyes AKA .... ??? Demekin is a term from Japan which is "protruding eyes". If you really talking about top view dragon eyes, then it's a new "kid" on the block whereby it is still appreciated privately by a few groups of people just a couple of years ago. Yet to even hit the mainstream.

Tail is tail, so you have to understand that butterfly tail is only one of the variety among the dragon eyes family. There are the traditional fan tail, 4 lopes, short tail, long tail, veil tail, butterfly tail.

Spend some time to understand various varieties in dragon eyes categories, maybe a good start here ...

http://rafflesgold.dyndns.org/~rg/champion/index.html

And there are a lot of pics in the web if you just search. It would be nice if this board got more people appreciating dragon eyes or other varieties as compare to the dominating ranchu in almost all other forums.
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post Sun, 13 Jun 2004 5:34 pm
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I didn't know Butterfly Demekin is "new" and appreciated privately (I wonder what does that means?)

I'll look up the different kinds of tails. Funny I thought there are only two kinds - the good and the bad. Ha ha.

Anyway, here's are two sites with photos of butterfly demekins:-

http://www.goldfishsociety.org/butterfly_demekin_photos.html

http://www.geocities.com/goldfishsg2000/

The 2nd has a lot of photos but the site is nearly always down because of excessive bandwidth usuage. Catch it at early hours of the day if you can.

Cheers.
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post Mon, 14 Jun 2004 3:26 pm
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maybe we can shift this discussion away from this thread? is getting off topic.

simply put, demekin refers to the eyes. nothing to do with tail. butterfly tail refers to the tail, nothing do with the eyes smile.gif
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post Tue, 15 Jun 2004 8:25 am
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Oh please don't stop. I think it's good we continue here.

Demekin (jp)
dragon eyes (asia)
moor (? - strictly speaking refering to the BLACK variety with spherical eyes)
globe eyes (uk)
telescopic eyes (us)

No matter what is the name it's the same fish with slight differences much like a thai ranchu would look different from a chinese ranchu. They all have "truncated cone" shaped eyes vs the spherical eyes of a moor but then over the years spherical eyes are not uncommon.

QUOTE(Frankie @ Sun 13 Jun 2004 05:33 PM)

Thanks for the second link. I finally found out who owns those butterflies as I've been looking at another web site with the same photos but no owner's name (or other info as a matter of fact) except lots of photos of beautiful butterflies. It's at http://demekin.mysitespace.com
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post Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:03 am
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QUOTE(Frankie @ Tue 15 Jun 2004 08:24 AM)
Oh please don't stop.  I think it's good we continue here.

Demekin (jp)
dragon eyes (asia)
moor (? - strictly speaking refering to the BLACK variety with spherical eyes)
globe eyes (uk)
telescopic eyes (us)

No matter what is the name it's the same fish with slight differences much like a thai ranchu would look different from a chinese ranchu.  They all have "truncated cone" shaped eyes vs the spherical eyes of a moor but then over the years spherical eyes are not uncommon.


Thanks for the second link.  I finally found out who owns those butterflies as I've been looking at another web site with the same photos but no owner's name (or other info as a matter of fact) except lots of photos of beautiful butterflies.  It's at http://demekin.mysitespace.com

i'm not so sure what "demekin " actually means. but the rest of the terms refers to the eyes only.

as to how the shape of the protruding eyes look, it will be due to the different lines of fish.

in a way, i think the confusion stem from the common usuage of "butterfly" to refer to the butterfly-tail dragon-eyes. there are also the butterfly ryukin, dragon-eye crowned pearlscale, short-tail dragon-eye etc.
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